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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 11.13am

Originally posted by DanH

Pretty impressive deluge of absolutely steaming hot sh*te there. Well done.

Oh look it's Essex's whitey Ali G wantabe.

On here with no argument as usual.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 08 Feb 21 11.16am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh look it's Essex's whitey Ali G wantabe.

On here with no argument as usual.

I'm not sure someone whose solution to ending racism is to either a) stop using twitter, b) ignore it or c) 'man up' and then also hit the jackpot by blaming black people themselves for racism is even worth 'arguing' against.

There is no counter 'argument' to him - he's just completely wrong.

 

Matov Flag 08 Feb 21 11.45am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


A copper who does it though? I can't respect them after that, for me that taints them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 11.11am)


I suspect that any cops who did it had one eye on promotion anyway. Sad state of affairs is that if all things were equal, a cop who knelt down to BLM will win promotion over one who did not.


 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Feb 21 11.47am

Originally posted by DanH

I'm not sure someone whose solution to ending racism is to either a) stop using twitter, b) ignore it or c) 'man up' and then also hit the jackpot by blaming black people themselves for racism is even worth 'arguing' against.

There is no counter 'argument' to him - he's just completely wrong.

Haha.
The current surge of twitter racism is being caused by the constant drone of the 24 hour news anti racism campaign.
It's obvious. It's also obvious that the news networks love it. Woke sensationalism is exactly what they like.
Virtue signalling heaven.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 11.47am

Originally posted by DanH

I'm not sure someone whose solution to ending racism is to either a) stop using twitter, b) ignore it or c) 'man up' and then also hit the jackpot by blaming black people themselves for racism is even worth 'arguing' against.

There is no counter 'argument' to him - he's just completely wrong.


I don't agree with him either but I understand his intent. Isn't he on the left?

Your attitude towards people, even on your own political side of the fence, who differ even a bit is frankly way over the top.....Perhaps, you don't quite realise how 'woke' you actually are.

Perhaps instead of attacking him you'd have a discussion.

I'm the kind of guy you should be criticising because I think what you believe in is bunk.

 


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madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 08 Feb 21 11.55am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I don't agree with him either but I understand his intent. Isn't he on the left?

Your attitude towards people, even on your own political side of the fence, who differ even a bit is frankly way over the top.....Perhaps, you don't quite realise how 'woke' you actually are.

Perhaps instead of attacking him you'd have a discussion.

I'm the kind of guy you should be criticising because I think what you believe in is bunk.

There wasn't really a discussion needed. His solution was for footballers to come off social media so they're not a target. Literally blaming the footballers there where there are deeper issues here.

Personally, if I reached a certain level of fame, I'd employ someone to handle my social media and just use my DMs to converse with people I actually wanted to/try and pick up women. But not because I believe I would be at fault for being a target, but because the system is failing to provide an alternative solution.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 11.55am

Originally posted by Matov

I suspect that any cops who did it had one eye on promotion anyway. Sad state of affairs is that if all things were equal, a cop who knelt down to BLM will win promotion over one who did not.


True, the modern day system filters the Police for political ideology more than competence.

In the past the right employed the left, moderate and far left and allowed them into systems from corporate to institution because there is a libertarianism core to the right.

Meritocracy within the job mattered much more than your politics.

Yet it's a general truism of the modern left that they don't have those principles and insist that you view the world similarly to them.

Collectivism beats individualism everytime.....Which is why the right have to ditch libertarianism....even though I respect its intent and principles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 11.56am)

 


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DanH Flag SW2 08 Feb 21 11.58am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I don't agree with him either but I understand his intent. Isn't he on the left?

Your attitude towards people, even on your own political side of the fence, who differ even a bit is frankly way over the top.....Perhaps, you don't quite realise how 'woke' you actually are.

Perhaps instead of attacking him you'd have a discussion.

I'm the kind of guy you should be criticising because I think what you believe in is bunk.

I don't care what 'side' of the political fence he is - suggesting someone getting abuse is their own fault for just existing or daring to be on social media is quite clearly boll*cks.

Some viewpoints are worth a discussion because they're just misguided. Some aren't because they're just utter sh*te.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 12.06pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

There wasn't really a discussion needed. His solution was for footballers to come off social media so they're not a target. Literally blaming the footballers there where there are deeper issues here.

Personally, if I reached a certain level of fame, I'd employ someone to handle my social media and just use my DMs to converse with people I actually wanted to/try and pick up women. But not because I believe I would be at fault for being a target, but because the system is failing to provide an alternative solution.

I don't think it was his intent to blame people, black or otherwise. He just offered a possible solution.

I also don't agree, but for different reasons from you and Dan.

Even if I agreed with the left's opinion on 'racism', the argument line of telling people to change their behaviour never really works.....not unless its backed up with punishment, which I also wouldn't agree with.

It's like those who think climate change can be altered if enough people started started acting 'green' or got themselves an electric car.

They don't really want to acknowledge or see the holistic problem, which is too many people.

Similarly the left's ideas on what they define as 'racism', just don't work and never will....well, in anything like a free society anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.15pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 12.11pm

Originally posted by DanH

I don't care what 'side' of the political fence he is - suggesting someone getting abuse is their own fault for just existing or daring to be on social media is quite clearly boll*cks.

Some viewpoints are worth a discussion because they're just misguided. Some aren't because they're just utter sh*te.


Similarly aren't you giving him unnecessary abuse on social media.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.13pm)

 


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DanH Flag SW2 08 Feb 21 12.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Similarly aren't you giving him unnecessary abuse on social media.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.13pm)

Whatever. Quite clearly shows where your values lie by picking me up on calling out nonsense rather than the nonsense itself.

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 08 Feb 21 12.37pm

Originally posted by DanH

quite clearly boll*cks.

Some viewpoints .... just utter sh*te.

Speak for yourself there (self confessed) Feminist-Dan.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 08 Feb 21 12.53pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Speak for yourself there (self confessed) Feminist-Dan.

All those years of rejection by them made you hate women has it?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 12.53pm

Originally posted by DanH

Whatever. Quite clearly shows where your values lie by picking me up on calling out nonsense rather than the nonsense itself.

I'm not quite sure you get me.

I have zero issues with you giving fortright opinions, which I'm no stranger to giving myself.

But you see, I agree with all that traditional free speech stuff, the giving of offence, subjectivity and all that...the idea that protected characteristics are mostly a bad idea.

Whereas with you....You think free speech should only come with criteria you agree with....the old, 'it's ok when I do it' routine.

Hence I was judging you by your own 'standards'.....you know...those double ones.


Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Feb 2021 12.56pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Feb 21 1.07pm

Originally posted by DanH

All those years of rejection by them made you hate women has it?

Everything's always about 'hate'.

You are always talking about others 'hating' when perhaps in truth isn't most of the 'hate' coming from yourself.

Is the lockdown getting to you a bit Dan? I thought you were enjoying the 'stay at home' stuff actually.

 


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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 08 Feb 21 2.04pm

Originally posted by DanH

All those years of rejection by them made you hate women has it?

from some of the shyte your write on here, it's clear you want to be one ?

getting back to the OP, its now high time to dispense with the knee gestures at football matches. I propose this evening Roy gets the boys to charge the Leeds goal from the second the whistle goes.

and if (self confessed)-feminist DanH wishes to get cross about it, good.

3 points for the Eagles.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Feb 2021 2.05pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 09 Feb 21 10.05pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Simple solution. Ban ALL the players using social media. This way racism ends there overnight. The online abuse is being delivered by a load of online losers who like many nowadays don’t have a life.

Basically this is all undiluted drivel nonsense. If you are a sensitive type, like most pro footballers, stay away from all this modern self adulation and you will avoid faceless racism. As most of you are snowflakes you are leaving the door wide open to these fools. Man up. Big up. Harden up and move up.

One thing Facebook got right was to tie accounts to the individual. These ubiquitous social networks offer too much access and prominence to attention seekers, where using shocking or deplorable ways to get noticed is par of the course. The algorithms used clearly don't deal with these issues, they amplify them. Anything that increases engagement gets promoted. 'The Social Dilemma' is a great documentary on this and other social media issues.

So a better solution to this hit and run behaviour than the victims (public figures with verified identities) of such abuse being the ones criticised and told to leave, is to ensure a level playing field with others having to back up their conduct in an equally 'verified' way. If someone's then still happy enough to openly reel off slurs at others they will at least be aware that it may come at a social cost to them and is something they personally have to own. Most of these inadequates would never have the guts to spew out slurs to a footballer's face in real life, and so that reality should be replicated online, rather than the current free for all.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Feb 2021 12.42am)

 

BlueJay Flag UK 09 Feb 21 10.10pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

There wasn't really a discussion needed. His solution was for footballers to come off social media so they're not a target. Literally blaming the footballers there where there are deeper issues here.

Personally, if I reached a certain level of fame, I'd employ someone to handle my social media and just use my DMs to converse with people I actually wanted to/try and pick up women. But not because I believe I would be at fault for being a target, but because the system is failing to provide an alternative solution.

The optimal reaction is to shrug it off, but you're right, it's clearly not their fault that they're being targeted in such a way. Other than my above ideas I'd say I'm in agreement that it's difficult to deal with, as I'm not massively in favour of peoples words being policed. En masse it's a difficult jobs for social networks anyway and lots of stuff ends up being an imperfect judgement call that pisses people off as much as the original comments themselves.

In their shoes I'd definitely just employ someone to deal with social media. It's not worth the hassle.

Edited by BlueJay (10 Feb 2021 1.14am)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Feb 21 1.02pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

There wasn't really a discussion needed. His solution was for footballers to come off social media so they're not a target. Literally blaming the footballers there where there are deeper issues here.

Personally, if I reached a certain level of fame, I'd employ someone to handle my social media and just use my DMs to converse with people I actually wanted to/try and pick up women. But not because I believe I would be at fault for being a target, but because the system is failing to provide an alternative solution.

What are these deeper issues?

There will never be a time when attention seekers and other assorted dimwits will use a situation to do what they always do. The more you publicise it the more they will do it. That is not so much a racism issue as a human behavioural trait.
Some people, for various reasons, feel the need to attack others. This says more about them than the victims and I don't know that our society will ever be without the small percentage who have these inclinations.
The media must know this but still push their little campaign for purely self serving reasons, also probably knowing full well that they are part of the problem.

 

madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 10 Feb 21 2.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What are these deeper issues?

There will never be a time when attention seekers and other assorted dimwits will use a situation to do what they always do. The more you publicise it the more they will do it. That is not so much a racism issue as a human behavioural trait.
Some people, for various reasons, feel the need to attack others. This says more about them than the victims and I don't know that our society will ever be without the small percentage who have these inclinations.
The media must know this but still push their little campaign for purely self serving reasons, also probably knowing full well that they are part of the problem.

In this context, the anonymity of Twitter. People would not target footballers on Facebook, where it is linked to an individual. There's been countless examples of people being outed and reprimanded for thing's they've posted on facebook, employers being made aware etc. It's a bit difficult to do to "@dave1234567" who has a picture of a dog as his profile picture on Twitter.

Don't agree with it being purely an attention seeking issue, racism on Twitter is rife and people tweet vile things without the prompt of a footballer having a bad game.

 


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