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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Feb 21 6.35pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

In this context, the anonymity of Twitter. People would not target footballers on Facebook, where it is linked to an individual. There's been countless examples of people being outed and reprimanded for thing's they've posted on facebook, employers being made aware etc. It's a bit difficult to do to "@dave1234567" who has a picture of a dog as his profile picture on Twitter.

Don't agree with it being purely an attention seeking issue, racism on Twitter is rife and people tweet vile things without the prompt of a footballer having a bad game.


Some platforms definitely have a structure that makes people more accountable than others. These inadequates do this largely as a 'look at me' and because they see zero consequence as result of it. Someone wouldn't knock on your door and start reeling off slurs like they do with the online equivalent. If that's how they want to conduct themselves then as you say tie their contributions more closely to their identity so that they have to own it and these keyboard warrior will often think twice. Where they do not then it is at least clear that they have no intention of operating within understood norms. I'm okay with people saying whatever they want, but they get to stand by their words and the people around them get to draw their own conclusions about this conduct. That would stamp out the majority of it.

Some wouldn't like the above, but ironically that's where the dream of making these social media behemoths a public utility leads to. An ever increasing government role and direct link to the individual.


Edited by BlueJay (10 Feb 2021 6.37pm)

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 12.22pm

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Interesting take by Zaha on the whole knee business. At least he sees the wokies the same as most on here.

 

DanH Flag SW2 12 Feb 21 12.38pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

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Interesting take by Zaha on the whole knee business. At least he sees the wokies the same as most on here.

How do you possibly read those comments and come to that conclusion? Listen to the interview as well.

He's tired and fed up of still having to do it because nothing is changing and no one is going further to enact change.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 12.47pm

Originally posted by DanH

How do you possibly read those comments and come to that conclusion? Listen to the interview as well.

He's tired and fed up of still having to do it because nothing is changing and no one is going further to enact change.

Very easily. He sees, like most of us on here, that most are simply paying lip service to the actual problem and using it for media coverage and online click bait.

No-one on here has said the cause is unjust, just the manner of ramming it down our throats by woke media outlets and the pretence that everything is getting better because sports people are taking a knee.

Not sure what else you can see in it to be honest.

 

DanH Flag SW2 12 Feb 21 12.50pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Very easily. He sees, like most of us on here, that most are simply paying lip service to the actual problem and using it for media coverage and online click bait.

No-one on here has said the cause is unjust, just the manner of ramming it down our throats by woke media outlets and the pretence that everything is getting better because sports people are taking a knee.

Not sure what else you can see in it to be honest.

Wilf has been vocal in his support of stopping social media users being able to hide behind anonymous accounts. Imagine the uproar on here if Twitter and Facebook made every user start having to validate their identity before they used it.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Feb 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by DanH

Wilf has been vocal in his support of stopping social media users being able to hide behind anonymous accounts. Imagine the uproar on here if Twitter and Facebook made every user start having to validate their identity before they used it.

Why would people on here be in uproar? I suspect the looney left would be very vocal.
Don’t use either so doesn’t affect me but quite obviously better policing of sites is necessary

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 12 Feb 21 12.59pm

Originally posted by DanH

How do you possibly read those comments and come to that conclusion? Listen to the interview as well.

He's tired and fed up of still having to do it because nothing is changing and no one is going further to enact change.

The last sentence sums up how many people feel. The difference being that when he says it people acknowledge the point.

 

AuntyAnne70 Flag Tunbridge WElls 12 Feb 21 1.23pm

If being a woke means being against racism, then count me in, unlike some of the racists on here.

 

madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 12 Feb 21 2.09pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

If being a woke means being against racism, then count me in, unlike some of the racists on here.

Ditto.

 


La la la your mum

madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 12 Feb 21 2.10pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

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Interesting take by Zaha on the whole knee business. At least he sees the wokies the same as most on here.

Have you listened to the actual interview? He really doesn't have the same POV of people here.

 


La la la your mum

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 2.39pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

If being a woke means being against racism, then count me in, unlike some of the racists on here.

Racist is a big word to be used against posters on here without proof and I would be pretty pissed if you outright referred to me as a racist.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 2.55pm

Originally posted by DanH

Wilf has been vocal in his support of stopping social media users being able to hide behind anonymous accounts. Imagine the uproar on here if Twitter and Facebook made every user start having to validate their identity before they used it.

Why would there be uproar? Social media is used by those who want people to celebrate their lives and big up their egos and when it all goes horribly wrong and they get’ “cancelled” or whatever they refer to it as, then they bitch and moan. As much as it’s great at times for communication, it’s an awful place if not treated with respect. Twitter is a particularly nasty site which I’m sure no one would miss if it was closed down.

A small minority, probably with a jealous streak write rubbish about famous people, some of it defamatory, some of it nasty and some of it racist. If the opportunity is there for them to get away with it, they will continue to do so. I think someone has already posted here that whilst you can remain totally anonymous there will always be an issue.

The world is not going to stop being nasty just because some people want it to.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Feb 21 6.42pm

Priti Patel doesn't agree with it.
Also slammed the blm protests for the trouble and damage they caused and the police time it took up.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 12 Feb 21 8.46pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

If being a woke means being against racism, then count me in, unlike some of the racists on here.

The word ‘racist’ has no meaning nowadays, except in so far as it is a general term of abuse used by woke people to describe anyone who has different views on issues of race to their views.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Feb 21 11.35pm

Take the knee

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BlueJay Flag UK 13 Feb 21 2.05am

Originally posted by georgenorman

The word ‘racist’ has no meaning nowadays, except in so far as it is a general term of abuse used by woke people to describe anyone who has different views on issues of race to their views.

It's certainly overused, but of course racism can and does come from all directions. The act of trying to redefine racism in such a way that declares that white people cannot even be on the receiving end of racism is of course absurd for instance.

But I'm not all that eager for a muddled political climate to be used as way of blotting out repugnant acts of racism. That of course is what these footballers have been on the receiving end of, and as I say in any other form of communication people wouldn't put up with it and so they shouldn't have to online either. If someone's brave enough to reel off slurs, they can be brave enough to put their name to it. That'll soon shut them up for the most part, because nobody with a shred of decency about them wants to be linked to such conduct.


Edited by BlueJay (13 Feb 2021 6.10am)

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 13 Feb 21 5.35am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

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Interesting take by Zaha on the whole knee business. At least he sees the wokies the same as most on here.

Well said Wilf. I really hope when Wilf is fit again he will not take the knee. It’s made it’s point. Now move on.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 21 8.03am

Racism, in its modern usage, ignoring the 'progressive' take (which isn't its original), is a word that simply describes preference for or dislike of an in-group or out-group.

The idea that society can rid itself of genetic preferences or dislikes is so infant-like in its thought process as to be dangerous. What is being created by modern zeitgeist is a dishonest expedient society where honesty is punished rather than discussed.

Preference for your in-group does not make you a bad or 'hateful' person. Those who say otherwise are either brainwashed or have an agenda against that particular group themselves.


Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2021 9.08am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 21 8.57am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Racist is a big word to be used against posters on here without proof and I would be pretty pissed if you outright referred to me as a racist.

He's just desperate to be thought well of by his in-group.

The weaponsised 'racism' word is just a way of demonising an out-group for him.

The fact that they don't see it is a constant source of irony, then again it isn't in their interest to.

Until enough people reject the 'sticks and stones' stuff we will continue on this pointless charade. In truth change only comes when enough elites want it to, as they fund the cultural zeitgeist that the unthinking plebs follow.

When enough elites feel threatened that's when it'll change, that's how history works....it's all very Salem witch trials...which didn't end until the governor of the colony's own wife was accused of witchcraft.

Until then it didn't matter.

However, something on this scale would require an event much more dramatic, which no doubt wouldn't be fun at all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2021 9.00am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

lefty27 Flag ipswich 13 Feb 21 9.21am

Good work, racism sorted.
Next time you’re being racially abused just say ‘sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me’ to yourself and everything will be fine/ or just grow up because if someone wants to racially abuse you it’s up to them and you should grow up and take it.
Good plan. quote=Stirlingsays;3604110]

He's just desperate to be thought well of by his in-group.

The weaponsised 'racism' word is just a way of demonising an out-group for him.

The fact that they don't see it is a constant source of irony, then again it isn't in their interest to.

Until enough people reject the 'sticks and stones' stuff we will continue on this pointless charade. In truth change only comes when enough elites want it to, as they fund the cultural zeitgeist that the unthinking plebs follow.

When enough elites feel threatened that's when it'll change, that's how history works....it's all very Salem witch trials...which didn't end until the governor of the colony's own wife was accused of witchcraft.

Until then it didn't matter.

However, something on this scale would require an event much more dramatic, which no doubt wouldn't be fun at all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2021 9.00am)

 

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