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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Mar 16 10.41am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Two points: you insert the word 'actual' into the above, does this mean you don't view the Vicki Kirby case as 'actual' anti Semitic. Do you view it as 'high jinks'? If it was a Tory or a Kipper making similar veined tweets about Muslims, I bet you would have a different view.

Also, I agree this needs to be tackled and Mr 'honest politics' Corbyn has true ideal opportunity to squash it now within his own party. However, he seems very reluctant to do that. Why could that be?

Actual anti-Semitism, I mean where its directed at people, rather than Israeli policy and actions. There is a nasty tendency for some to describe political criticism of Israel as anti-sematic.

 


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Hoof Hearted 21 Mar 16 11.08am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

IDS (no confidence vote), Hague (a second landslide), Major (total landslide) and Howard (defeated)?

Democracy in action. I'd be concerned if I was the Conservatives, someone like Corbyn is a more of a wild card - Like Farage and the Greens, their appeal is hard to predict because they're not responding to the media and often benefit as protest votes - As much will depend on how the Tories fare in the inbetween years - Corbyn I don't think will win unless the Tories f**k up, or the SNP collapse.

The question isn't really whether Corbyn would win, but whether or not the Conservatives can deliver on promises and avoid any really serious f**k ups between now and the election.

Its like Leicester, its theirs to lose.

You've strengthened my argument jamie.

The lame ducks you mentioned and I highlighted in red were perceived to be unelectable in the minds of the voters. Major actually demonstrated he was unfit for PM by his short disastrous term in office.

The rest of your post is just guff.

No matter what happens between now and 2020 the majority of people have made their minds up about Corbyn and he is considered unstatesmanlike (scruffy to you) untrustworthy, dangerous, a 70's throwback, black-pig shagger (Abbott), poor decision maker (Abbott again) etc etc

 

mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 21 Mar 16 11.50am

I'm genuinely undecided yet about which way to vote but those voting out, and who do not want Corbyn elected, would do well to heed the following, issued by an independent research company that we use who are generally spot-on in things geopolitical.


"A weakened Conservative Party – Britain’s
center-right pro-business party – would be bad
news for investors. UKIP, while right-wing on
social matters, is considerably left-wing when
it comes to fiscal and regulatory policy.
BREXIT could lead to a similarly dire outcome
for the Conservative Party. The risk is that the
British populace realizes that leaving the EU
was a sub-optimal result, and that little sovereignty
was recovered. As such, there could be a
backlash against the Tories in the next general
election. In this scenario, the winner would
not necessarily be UKIP, but rather the Jeremy
Corbyn-led Labour Party – as close to the Michael
Foot-led opposition in the early 1980s as
any Labour leadership. If the U.K.’s financial
sector has concerns regarding BREXIT, they
ought to pale in comparison to what a Corbyn
government would do to the U.K.’s “extractive”
banking industry. His words, not ours!"

Of course, for those who hate what financial services bring to the UK, this'll be a highly attractive option.

I still think my 100-1 on the next election being won by a Party that doesn't exist yet is looking better by the day.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Mar 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Actual anti-Semitism, I mean where its directed at people, rather than Israeli policy and actions. There is a nasty tendency for some to describe political criticism of Israel as anti-sematic.

Do you think the Vicki Kirby incident is 'actual anti semitism'?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Mar 16 12.48pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Also, I agree this needs to be tackled and Mr 'honest politics' Corbyn has true ideal opportunity to squash it now within his own party. However, he seems very reluctant to do that. Why could that be?

If he was reluctant, how come he has launched an inquiry? Perhaps the press thought it better not to mention that bit.

 

Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 21 Mar 16 1.34pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If he was reluctant, how come he has launched an inquiry? Perhaps the press thought it better not to mention that bit.

#Owned

 


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johnfirewall Flag 21 Mar 16 2.30pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Actual anti-Semitism, I mean where its directed at people, rather than Israeli policy and actions. There is a nasty tendency for some to describe political criticism of Israel as anti-sematic.

I was quite shocked to read a notice a local resident had pinned to their fence claiming a public order offence by their neighbour who upon discovering their neighbour's daughter was serving in the IDF, had put up placards in their front garden referring to Israeli apartheid and calling for boycotts etc.

That is criticism of the authorities directed at an individual so I'm glad by your own definition you'd consider that anti-semitism.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Mar 16 3.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If he was reluctant, how come he has launched an inquiry? Perhaps the press thought it better not to mention that bit.

Why was she suspended twice and allowed to become vice chair of a local party in between suspensions?

From the outside, it appears that Labour let her off and then reacted to a public outcry after she was allowed to stand for office. At face value, it smells and, Gusset, if it was a Tory or Kipper saying something offensive about a Muslim, you'd be all over it, labelling them all 'cunds'. BTW, your disgust at what she put on Twitter is noticeable by its absence.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Mar 16 3.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If he was reluctant, how come he has launched an inquiry? Perhaps the press thought it better not to mention that bit.

I have just read that Corbyn instigated the enquiry after a police complaint was raised about her comments.

#honest politics - yeah, right!

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hoof Hearted 21 Mar 16 3.51pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I have just read that Corbyn instigated the enquiry after a police complaint was raised about her comments.

#honest politics - yeah, right!

Labour have a track record of this hypocrisy with Party members being given 2nd/3rd chances to rejoin and hold lofty positions after some pretty bad scandals ...... Mandelson, Blunkett, Vaz anyone?

I expect a lefty comeback with Tory transgressors too BTW.

 

DanH Flag SW2 21 Mar 16 3.52pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Labour have a track record of this hypocrisy with Party members being given 2nd/3rd chances to rejoin and hold lofty positions after some pretty bad scandals ...... Mandelson, Blunkett, Vaz anyone?

I expect a lefty comeback with Tory transgressors too BTW.

Whatever the party, they're all politicians, ergo; c*nts.

 

Kingvagabond Flag London 22 Mar 16 4.56am

Originally posted by matt_himself

And that's the blueprint for the 'Straight talking, honest politics' Corbyn has promised?

Each day, Corbyn looks more and more like a typical Westminister hack and not the messiah Momentum and their sort proclaim him to be.

Actually it was a glib reply from me highlighting the idiotical partisanship in the assertion of anti Semitism in Labour without any recognition of it in any other party.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Mar 16 12.56am

Corbyn got a rousing reception from the NUT earlier.

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 26 Mar 16 6.59am

This made me laugh.

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The left cannot help but argue with itself.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Flag Matataland 26 Mar 16 7.00am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Corbyn got a rousing reception from the NUT earlier.

I thought you had flounced out of teaching because they were making you work and be accountable or something?

You made a big song and dance about it but I have forgotten the specifics.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 26 Mar 16 8.50am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I thought you had flounced out of teaching because they were making you work and be accountable or something?

You made a big song and dance about it but I have forgotten the specifics.

I expect he has as well, by now.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Mar 16 9.03am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Corbyn got a rousing reception from the NUT earlier.

Rousing reception from the NUT - hardly a surprise !

My wife used to be in ATL.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Mar 16 9.53am

If I was a Corbyn supporter I would be mightily pissed off with how he let Osborne off the hook this week.

The Tories should have been absolutely battered following the budget and IDS resignation. Corbyn was painfully ineffectual

 


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Hoof Hearted 26 Mar 16 10.01am

Give it up now lads.... we've told them Corbyn is a lame duck, we've demonstrated how ineffective he is and what a turnoff he is to your average voter.

If they don't want to heed our helpful advice and vote him out as leader now before it's too late to save the Labour Party going the same way as the Scottish Labour Party then that is their lookout.

However I don't want any crocodile tears in 2020 when the inevitable happens and they cry out "If only you'd warned us...."

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Mar 16 10.22am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I thought you had flounced out of teaching because they were making you work and be accountable or something?

You made a big song and dance about it but I have forgotten the specifics.

Here in my capacity as division president.

 

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