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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 9.41am
Originally posted by CPFC Dartford Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost. Mr Hodgson and his dear wife Sheila celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary in September, so perhaps he will feel it would rather spend it on a luxurious holiday than enduring the rigours of being a football manager.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 9.41am

Originally posted by CPFC Dartford

Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority
in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost.

Mr Hodgson and his dear wife Sheila celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary in September, so perhaps he will feel it would rather spend it on a luxurious holiday than enduring the rigours of being a football manager.

TheBigToePunt 14 Jan 21 9.52am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So, this means we are spending a load of money on players who will never make the grade. Sounds like a fantastic business plan to me. I wonder if they have all been told they are a waste of time and should go and seek a job elsewhere? That's exactly how it works, yes. Every club in the world to ever set up a youth team pays for it in the knowledge that most of the players won't be good enough in the end. Still, Roy's fault probably.

TheBigToePunt

14 Jan 21 9.52am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So, this means we are spending a load of money on players who will never make the grade. Sounds like a fantastic business plan to me. I wonder if they have all been told they are a waste of time and should go and seek a job elsewhere?

That's exactly how it works, yes. Every club in the world to ever set up a youth team pays for it in the knowledge that most of the players won't be good enough in the end.

Still, Roy's fault probably.

taylors lovechild 14 Jan 21 9.55am
Originally posted by CPFC Dartford Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost. I think this is one thing that most of us agree on, whomever is in charge next season the squad needs significant investment. Unlike in previous windows, this coming summer we need investment in all areas of the pitch bar a new goalkeeper (unless Vicente leaves). Ferguson and Eze were a start in injecting youth into the squad, but we need more energy and pace if we are to remain competitive. If we don't invest then next season we will have to sit even deeper. It does increasingly feel like the summer will be key to defining our future as a club. Thankfully, for all his detractors, it does seem Roy should be able to sail us safely into port where the board can then plot our next course.

taylors lovechild

14 Jan 21 9.55am

Originally posted by CPFC Dartford

Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority
in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost.

I think this is one thing that most of us agree on, whomever is in charge next season the squad needs significant investment. Unlike in previous windows, this coming summer we need investment in all areas of the pitch bar a new goalkeeper (unless Vicente leaves). Ferguson and Eze were a start in injecting youth into the squad, but we need more energy and pace if we are to remain competitive. If we don't invest then next season we will have to sit even deeper.

It does increasingly feel like the summer will be key to defining our future as a club. Thankfully, for all his detractors, it does seem Roy should be able to sail us safely into port where the board can then plot our next course.

Eaglecoops CR3 14 Jan 21 10.00am
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt That's exactly how it works, yes. Every club in the world to ever set up a youth team pays for it in the knowledge that most of the players won't be good enough in the end. Still, Roy's fault probably. If none of the players in that team are going to make it then what is the point of having an under 23 side, they might as well just scrap it. Or is it just a rehab team for our geriatrics who are constantly injured. If it is then I suppose there is some justification for keeping it. Roy is not to blame for it but we will never know if any of them can step up because they haven’t been given the chance and that is part of his remit.

Eaglecoops

CR3 14 Jan 21 10.00am

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That's exactly how it works, yes. Every club in the world to ever set up a youth team pays for it in the knowledge that most of the players won't be good enough in the end.

Still, Roy's fault probably.

If none of the players in that team are going to make it then what is the point of having an under 23 side, they might as well just scrap it. Or is it just a rehab team for our geriatrics who are constantly injured. If it is then I suppose there is some justification for keeping it. Roy is not to blame for it but we will never know if any of them can step up because they haven’t been given the chance and that is part of his remit.

southnorwoodhill 14 Jan 21 10.16am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I think this is one thing that most of us agree on, whomever is in charge next season the squad needs significant investment. Unlike in previous windows, this coming summer we need investment in all areas of the pitch bar a new goalkeeper (unless Vicente leaves). Ferguson and Eze were a start in injecting youth into the squad, but we need more energy and pace if we are to remain competitive. If we don't invest then next season we will have to sit even deeper. It does increasingly feel like the summer will be key to defining our future as a club. Thankfully, for all his detractors, it does seem Roy should be able to sail us safely into port where the board can then plot our next course. Sometimes I wonder if Parish is saving whatever transfer kitty is available for the next manager. Barring Eze, signings under Hodgson have hardly been inspiring - Cahill, getting on, slow - Kouyate, distinctly below average - McCarthy, nothing special - Sorloth, ha ha ha, Jach - less said the better. Ferguson - is the lad ever going to be fit and prove his potential?

southnorwoodhill

14 Jan 21 10.16am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Sometimes I wonder if Parish is saving whatever transfer kitty is available for the next manager. Barring Eze, signings under Hodgson have hardly been inspiring - Cahill, getting on, slow - Kouyate, distinctly below average - McCarthy, nothing special - Sorloth, ha ha ha, Jach - less said the better. Ferguson - is the lad ever going to be fit and prove his potential?

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jan 21 10.20am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops If none of the players in that team are going to make it then what is the point of having an under 23 side, they might as well just scrap it. Or is it just a rehab team for our geriatrics who are constantly injured. If it is then I suppose there is some justification for keeping it. Roy is not to blame for it but we will never know if any of them can step up because they haven’t been given the chance and that is part of his remit. Roy's remit is around the first team. Not Youth Development. He watches the U23 games both in person and the videos. He holds regular meetings with Derry and McCarthy in which they have an opportunity to promote/recommend players to him. Yes it's his decision after that, that's what he's paid for. I think if a club can get one or two players through into the First Team at any given time, that's considered a success. Running the teams is the cost of doing business...many are called but few are chosen ! Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jan 21 10.20am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Roy's remit is around the first team. Not Youth Development. He watches the U23 games both in person and the videos. He holds regular meetings with Derry and McCarthy in which they have an opportunity to promote/recommend players to him. Yes it's his decision after that, that's what he's paid for.

I think if a club can get one or two players through into the First Team at any given time, that's considered a success. Running the teams is the cost of doing business...many are called but few are chosen !

Old, Ungifted and White

Frickin Saweet South Cronx 14 Jan 21 10.29am
Originally posted by PatrickA There’s a piece in the Evening Standard quoting Roy saying that he has no plans to retire and wants to continue in management . This would mean the impetus for a change would have to come from Parish. On the basis that we survive with something to spare, which looks possible, I don’t think Parish will be minded to make a change. so what you're saying is that we're going to have to kidnap Roy and fake a disappearance for a period of time long enough to warrant Parish hiring a new manager?

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 14 Jan 21 10.29am

Originally posted by PatrickA

There’s a piece in the Evening Standard quoting Roy saying that he has no plans to retire and wants to continue in management .
This would mean the impetus for a change would have to come from Parish.
On the basis that we survive with something to spare, which looks possible, I don’t think Parish will be minded to make a change.

so what you're saying is that we're going to have to kidnap Roy and fake a disappearance for a period of time long enough to warrant Parish hiring a new manager?

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 10.42am
I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager. He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters!

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 10.42am

I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager.
He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters!

Booted Eagle Bristol 14 Jan 21 10.59am
Originally posted by Willo I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager. He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters! Ever or just for this season ? Personally don't think we are totally out of the woods this season. We are about where we were last season where we had a nice spell before lockdown and then a very bad run at the end. The squad is essentially the same but a year older which might be telling particularly in the run in. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Booted Eagle

Bristol 14 Jan 21 10.59am

Originally posted by Willo

I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager.
He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters!

Ever or just for this season ? Personally don't think we are totally out of the woods this season. We are about where we were last season where we had a nice spell before lockdown and then a very bad run at the end. The squad is essentially the same but a year older which might be telling particularly in the run in.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 11.02am
Originally posted by Booted Eagle Ever or just for this season ? Personally don't think we are totally out of the woods this season. We are about where we were last season where we had a nice spell before lockdown and then a very bad run at the end. The squad is essentially the same but a year older which might be telling particularly in the run in. I've heard from the time he was appointed that we would be safe from relegation all the time that Mr Hodgson was at the helm.More recently I have heard similar sentiments. He commands great respect.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 11.02am

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Ever or just for this season ? Personally don't think we are totally out of the woods this season. We are about where we were last season where we had a nice spell before lockdown and then a very bad run at the end. The squad is essentially the same but a year older which might be telling particularly in the run in.

I've heard from the time he was appointed that we would be safe from relegation all the time that Mr Hodgson was at the helm.More recently I have heard similar sentiments.
He commands great respect.

southnorwoodhill 14 Jan 21 11.13am
Originally posted by Willo I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager. He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters! Who are these people, if you don't mind me asking?

southnorwoodhill

14 Jan 21 11.13am

Originally posted by Willo

I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager.
He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters!

Who are these people, if you don't mind me asking?

PZ Eagle Penzance 14 Jan 21 11.25am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Who are these people, if you don't mind me asking? If as Willo says they are people within the game then they know far more about football than posters on this forum. Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

PZ Eagle

Penzance 14 Jan 21 11.25am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Who are these people, if you don't mind me asking?

If as Willo says they are people within the game then they know far more about football than posters on this forum.

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 11.28am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Who are these people, if you don't mind me asking? I was referring in particular to people outside of our club who expressed their views to me. The general consensus is that Mr Hodgson is vastly experienced and has the know-how to chart a course to avoid relegation.I have been left in no doubt that he is held in high esteem.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 11.28am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Who are these people, if you don't mind me asking?

I was referring in particular to people outside of our club who expressed their views to me.

The general consensus is that Mr Hodgson is vastly experienced and has the know-how to chart a course to avoid relegation.I have been left in no doubt that he is held in high esteem.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 11.32am
Originally posted by PZ Eagle If as Willo says they are people within the game then they know far more about football than posters on this forum. I wouldn't wish to denigrate other posters but on a personal level,I bow down to those who are far more steeped in knowledge, understanding and experience of this great game than 'Yours truly'. Edited by Willo (14 Jan 2021 11.53am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Jan 21 11.32am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

If as Willo says they are people within the game then they know far more about football than posters on this forum.

I wouldn't wish to denigrate other posters but on a personal level,I bow down to those who are far more steeped in knowledge, understanding and experience of this great game than 'Yours truly'.

Edited by Willo (14 Jan 2021 11.53am)

Jacey 14 Jan 21 11.45am
Originally posted by Willo I wouldn't wish to denigrate other posters but on a personal level and I bow down to those who are far more steeped in knowledge, understanding and experience of this great game than 'Yours truly'. Consistently hear pundits like Lawro,Sutton,claiming just how capable Roy is and he is held in the greatest of esteem .

Jacey

14 Jan 21 11.45am

Originally posted by Willo

I wouldn't wish to denigrate other posters but on a personal level and I bow down to those who are far more steeped in knowledge, understanding and experience of this great game than 'Yours truly'.

Consistently hear pundits like Lawro,Sutton,claiming just how capable Roy is and he is held in the greatest of esteem .

Eaglecoops CR3 14 Jan 21 1.39pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Roy's remit is around the first team. Not Youth Development. He watches the U23 games both in person and the videos. He holds regular meetings with Derry and McCarthy in which they have an opportunity to promote/recommend players to him. Yes it's his decision after that, that's what he's paid for. I think if a club can get one or two players through into the First Team at any given time, that's considered a success. Running the teams is the cost of doing business...many are called but few are chosen ! Does anyone on here know what the content of those conversations are. Unless you do, it may well be that Derry is recommending one or two, or more and Roy is choosing not to bother. You can’t defend managers decisions with facts you don’t know. I agree that unless you are Chelsea or similar you are unlikely to pull more than 2 of 3 out the hat, but I find that to currently have an U23 side with no-one capable of being tried out even in cups and meaningless matches (like end of last season) to be a damning indictment of either our system or our manager.

Eaglecoops

CR3 14 Jan 21 1.39pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Does anyone on here know what the content of those conversations are. Unless you do, it may well be that Derry is recommending one or two, or more and Roy is choosing not to bother. You can’t defend managers decisions with facts you don’t know.

I agree that unless you are Chelsea or similar you are unlikely to pull more than 2 of 3 out the hat, but I find that to currently have an U23 side with no-one capable of being tried out even in cups and meaningless matches (like end of last season) to be a damning indictment of either our system or our manager.

TheBigToePunt 14 Jan 21 2.10pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Does anyone on here know what the content of those conversations are. Unless you do, it may well be that Derry is recommending one or two, or more and Roy is choosing not to bother. You can’t defend managers decisions with facts you don’t know. I agree that unless you are Chelsea or similar you are unlikely to pull more than 2 of 3 out the hat, but I find that to currently have an U23 side with no-one capable of being tried out even in cups and meaningless matches (like end of last season) to be a damning indictment of either our system or our manager. But you (and I, and everyone else) already know that our youth team hasn't been very strong compared to the required standard, and that for years we stood next to no chance of getting the best kids in the highly competitive world of professional youth football. Parish has spoken openly about this for ages. That's why getting category one status recently was such a big deal, as was the planning permission for the new facilities. Only now have Palace moved into the premier league youth team structure, and even then we are in the second division at present. This is not just commonly known, it is positively advertised by the club. Yet somehow the finger of blame might still point at Hodgson in some folks eyes? Edited by TheBigToePunt (14 Jan 2021 2.12pm)

TheBigToePunt

14 Jan 21 2.10pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I agree that unless you are Chelsea or similar you are unlikely to pull more than 2 of 3 out the hat, but I find that to currently have an U23 side with no-one capable of being tried out even in cups and meaningless matches (like end of last season) to be a damning indictment of either our system or our manager.

But you (and I, and everyone else) already know that our youth team hasn't been very strong compared to the required standard, and that for years we stood next to no chance of getting the best kids in the highly competitive world of professional youth football.

Parish has spoken openly about this for ages. That's why getting category one status recently was such a big deal, as was the planning permission for the new facilities.

Only now have Palace moved into the premier league youth team structure, and even then we are in the second division at present.

This is not just commonly known, it is positively advertised by the club. Yet somehow the finger of blame might still point at Hodgson in some folks eyes?

Edited by TheBigToePunt (14 Jan 2021 2.12pm)

CrazyBadger Ware 14 Jan 21 2.12pm
Originally posted by Willo I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager. He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters! Unless those connected people are Refs, who have been receiving the contents of RH's Pension, No-one can say he will NOT be relegated with any certainty. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 14 Jan 21 2.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

I keep hearing from people connected with the game that we will NOT be relegated because Roy Hodgson is the manager.
He is certainly held in high esteem, probably more so than by our supporters!

Unless those connected people are Refs, who have been receiving the contents of RH's Pension, No-one can say he will NOT be relegated with any certainty.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jan 21 2.37pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Does anyone on here know what the content of those conversations are. Unless you do, it may well be that Derry is recommending one or two, or more and Roy is choosing not to bother. You can’t defend managers decisions with facts you don’t know. I agree that unless you are Chelsea or similar you are unlikely to pull more than 2 of 3 out the hat, but I find that to currently have an U23 side with no-one capable of being tried out even in cups and meaningless matches (like end of last season) to be a damning indictment of either our system or our manager. Read my post again. I did not defend Roy at all - I said it's his decision whether or not to act on recommendations made to him. That's part of his job. I fully expect Derry to be recommending players that he believes are worthy of consideration. I'm not claiming to be privy to those conversations, but in my experience that's how it works. Draw your own conclusions...either the players aren't good enough and not being put forward, or they are and Hodgson doesn't fancy them. As for using U23 players in cup competitions, that was tried at Bournemouth this season and I wasn't impressed with what I saw on that occasion. And while there is financial reward for finishing places, young players don't get the opportunities like they sed to at the end of the season, although results last season suggest they couldn't have done any worse. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Jan 21 2.37pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Read my post again.

I did not defend Roy at all - I said it's his decision whether or not to act on recommendations made to him. That's part of his job. I fully expect Derry to be recommending players that he believes are worthy of consideration. I'm not claiming to be privy to those conversations, but in my experience that's how it works. Draw your own conclusions...either the players aren't good enough and not being put forward, or they are and Hodgson doesn't fancy them.

As for using U23 players in cup competitions, that was tried at Bournemouth this season and I wasn't impressed with what I saw on that occasion. And while there is financial reward for finishing places, young players don't get the opportunities like they sed to at the end of the season, although results last season suggest they couldn't have done any worse.

Old, Ungifted and White

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Jan 21 3.47pm
The upgrade to Cat 1 status has brought about an influx of better younger players and this is reflected in performances in the respective leagues. The U23s (bottom last season in a league comprising mainly Championship and League 1 clubs) currently sit 4th in a league of 13 clubs most of which are in the PL. However, that league is incredibly tight with the 13th club just 3 points below us. The U18s are also 4th but just 2 points behind the leaders. The likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Southampton, Leicester (and the Weed) are below us. As for Roy Hodgson, he seemed to make it clear in yesterday's press conference that he wants to go on managing for a long time yet, so, if Parish offers him another 1 year extension, expect Hodgson to take it.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Jan 21 3.47pm

The upgrade to Cat 1 status has brought about an influx of better younger players and this is reflected in performances in the respective leagues.

The U23s (bottom last season in a league comprising mainly Championship and League 1 clubs) currently sit 4th in a league of 13 clubs most of which are in the PL. However, that league is incredibly tight with the 13th club just 3 points below us.

The U18s are also 4th but just 2 points behind the leaders. The likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Southampton, Leicester (and the Weed) are below us.

As for Roy Hodgson, he seemed to make it clear in yesterday's press conference that he wants to go on managing for a long time yet, so, if Parish offers him another 1 year extension, expect Hodgson to take it.

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