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HKOwen Hong Kong 14 Apr 22 12.51am
Have I missed the post that points out the incident would not have happened if they were not burglars. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 14 Apr 22 12.51am

Have I missed the post that points out the incident would not have happened if they were not burglars.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Stirlingsays 14 Apr 22 2.57am
Originally posted by Mapletree Thorough? As in I'm a thoroughbred and you're an old nag? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

14 Apr 22 2.57am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Thorough?

As in I'm a thoroughbred and you're an old nag?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

georgenorman 14 Apr 22 6.34am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Having seen someone holding a pump action shot gun? I think he was running away, and that you do too. They were not running away, they were by a window.

georgenorman

14 Apr 22 6.34am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Having seen someone holding a pump action shot gun?

I think he was running away, and that you do too.

They were not running away, they were by a window.

Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 22 8.39am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Nor does anyone else. Just so long as the "defence" is proportionate to the threat. Shooting someone in the back whilst they are running away doesn't appear to me to match that criteria. Does it to you? I have confidence in the system, both of trial by jury and appeal to a panel of Judges. Nothing is perfect, but I don't know of a better alternative. I think the details written on paper and the reality of the moment might have been a little different. The result is that everybody lost in this situation, and that was because some people in our society are allowed to try and take what isn't theirs, with the police doing little or nothing to stop them.

Hrolf The Ganger

14 Apr 22 8.39am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nor does anyone else. Just so long as the "defence" is proportionate to the threat. Shooting someone in the back whilst they are running away doesn't appear to me to match that criteria. Does it to you?

I have confidence in the system, both of trial by jury and appeal to a panel of Judges. Nothing is perfect, but I don't know of a better alternative.

I think the details written on paper and the reality of the moment might have been a little different.

The result is that everybody lost in this situation, and that was because some people in our society are allowed to try and take what isn't theirs, with the police doing little or nothing to stop them.

PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Apr 22 9.21am
Originally posted by BlueJay Marine Le Pen to withdraw France from NATO’s unified military command if she wins - [Link] She frames it as she does, but it comes down to significant Russian money (and consequently influence) in her campaigns many years now. Careful what you wish for. Edited by BlueJay (14 Apr 2022 12.26am) How many stupid, nasty or unpopular wars have nato been complicit in ? Since 1945 ? Almost constant state of warfare. Feck NATO Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 14 Apr 22 9.21am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Marine Le Pen to withdraw France from NATO’s unified military command if she wins - [Link]

She frames it as she does, but it comes down to significant Russian money (and consequently influence) in her campaigns many years now. Careful what you wish for.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Apr 2022 12.26am)

How many stupid, nasty or unpopular wars have nato been complicit in ? Since 1945 ? Almost constant state of warfare.

Feck NATO

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

georgenorman 14 Apr 22 9.35am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio How many stupid, nasty or unpopular wars have nato been complicit in ? Since 1945 ? Almost constant state of warfare. Feck NATO How many wise, nice or popular wars have there been? How many wars since 1945 have NATO been complicit in, by the way, Benito.

georgenorman

14 Apr 22 9.35am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

How many stupid, nasty or unpopular wars have nato been complicit in ? Since 1945 ? Almost constant state of warfare.

Feck NATO

How many wise, nice or popular wars have there been? How many wars since 1945 have NATO been complicit in, by the way, Benito.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 9.36am
Originally posted by georgenorman They were not running away, they were by a window. He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 9.36am

Originally posted by georgenorman

They were not running away, they were by a window.

He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 9.41am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think the details written on paper and the reality of the moment might have been a little different. The result is that everybody lost in this situation, and that was because some people in our society are allowed to try and take what isn't theirs, with the police doing little or nothing to stop them. Of course, everyone lost. It's easy to blame the police, but we are ultimately responsible. It's our job to ensure, via the politicians we choose, to provide them with the resources they need and to determine their priorities. That the result isn't currently to your liking is down to you to change, via persuasion. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 9.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think the details written on paper and the reality of the moment might have been a little different.

Of course, everyone lost. It's easy to blame the police, but we are ultimately responsible. It's our job to ensure, via the politicians we choose, to provide them with the resources they need and to determine their priorities. That the result isn't currently to your liking is down to you to change, via persuasion.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

georgenorman 14 Apr 22 9.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me. I expect they were trying to steal the window - they nick anything.

georgenorman

14 Apr 22 9.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me.

I expect they were trying to steal the window - they nick anything.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Apr 22 9.44am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me. .... after they had robbed him. It is nice to live in a nation however where you can go round burgling houses in peace knowing that the laws protects you from coming to any harm. Serves honest, hard working people right. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Apr 22 9.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me.

.... after they had robbed him.

It is nice to live in a nation however where you can go round burgling houses in peace knowing that the laws protects you from coming to any harm. Serves honest, hard working people right.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

georgenorman 14 Apr 22 9.47am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me. Running away like the gypsies who killed PC Andrew Harper were.

georgenorman

14 Apr 22 9.47am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He shot firstly when they were in a stairwell, and secondly as they tried, and succeeded, in climbing out of the window they had broken to gain entry. That seems like they were running away to me.

Running away like the gypsies who killed PC Andrew Harper were.

Badger11 Beckenham 14 Apr 22 10.07am
Originally posted by georgenorman Running away like the gypsies who killed PC Andrew Harper were. Or running to fetch weapons (from their vehicle) so they could have another go. Don't forget this is in the middle of nowhere that fight could have continued for hours without the police turning up so if I was Tony Martin I would not assume that running away actually meant they were leaving more like a tactical withdrawal whilst they planned their next attack. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 14 Apr 22 10.07am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Running away like the gypsies who killed PC Andrew Harper were.

Or running to fetch weapons (from their vehicle) so they could have another go. Don't forget this is in the middle of nowhere that fight could have continued for hours without the police turning up so if I was Tony Martin I would not assume that running away actually meant they were leaving more like a tactical withdrawal whilst they planned their next attack.

One more point

Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 22 10.28am
Originally posted by BlueJay Marine Le Pen to withdraw France from NATO’s unified military command if she wins - [Link] She frames it as she does, but it comes down to significant Russian money (and consequently influence) in her campaigns many years now. Careful what you wish for. Edited by BlueJay (14 Apr 2022 12.26am) Not that old chestnut again. Funny how it's always those on the right who are allegedly influenced by Communist Russia. If Putin wishes to destabilize Europe, then his biggest allies are European governments who have been allowing millions of immigrants to arrive, bringing their medieval religious mentalities and organised criminality.

Hrolf The Ganger

14 Apr 22 10.28am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Marine Le Pen to withdraw France from NATO’s unified military command if she wins - [Link]

She frames it as she does, but it comes down to significant Russian money (and consequently influence) in her campaigns many years now. Careful what you wish for.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Apr 2022 12.26am)

Not that old chestnut again.

Funny how it's always those on the right who are allegedly influenced by Communist Russia.

If Putin wishes to destabilize Europe, then his biggest allies are European governments who have been allowing millions of immigrants to arrive, bringing their medieval religious mentalities and organised criminality.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.19am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 .... after they had robbed him. It is nice to live in a nation however where you can go round burgling houses in peace knowing that the laws protects you from coming to any harm. Serves honest, hard working people right. We don't. They can't. Nor can anyone shoot another without due cause. He didn't have due cause. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.19am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

.... after they had robbed him.

It is nice to live in a nation however where you can go round burgling houses in peace knowing that the laws protects you from coming to any harm. Serves honest, hard working people right.

We don't. They can't. Nor can anyone shoot another without due cause. He didn't have due cause.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.21am
Originally posted by georgenorman Running away like the gypsies who killed PC Andrew Harper were. They were also convicted and jailed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.21am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Running away like the gypsies who killed PC Andrew Harper were.

They were also convicted and jailed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.23am
Originally posted by Badger11 Or running to fetch weapons (from their vehicle) so they could have another go. Don't forget this is in the middle of nowhere that fight could have continued for hours without the police turning up so if I was Tony Martin I would not assume that running away actually meant they were leaving more like a tactical withdrawal whilst they planned their next attack. You could justify any action you wanted if that was accepted as a legitimate argument. Then we would have no law at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.23am

Originally posted by Badger11

You could justify any action you wanted if that was accepted as a legitimate argument. Then we would have no law at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.29am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not that old chestnut again. Funny how it's always those on the right who are allegedly influenced by Communist Russia. If Putin wishes to destabilize Europe, then his biggest allies are European governments who have been allowing millions of immigrants to arrive, bringing their medieval religious mentalities and organised criminality. It doesn't, unfortunately, make it untrue. Trump's election victory was tinged by corrupt Russian interference, as was Brexit. Le Pen has this skeleton in her closet too. Do you detect a pattern here? That you manage to weave "immigration" into every comment suggests you are a little obsessed by it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Apr 22 11.29am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not that old chestnut again.

Funny how it's always those on the right who are allegedly influenced by Communist Russia.

It doesn't, unfortunately, make it untrue. Trump's election victory was tinged by corrupt Russian interference, as was Brexit. Le Pen has this skeleton in her closet too. Do you detect a pattern here?

That you manage to weave "immigration" into every comment suggests you are a little obsessed by it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

georgenorman 14 Apr 22 11.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle They were also convicted and jailed. Yes, reduced to manslaughter on appeal as of course they would have been totally unaware that dragging someone behind your car at speed for several miles might kill them.

georgenorman

14 Apr 22 11.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They were also convicted and jailed.

Yes, reduced to manslaughter on appeal as of course they would have been totally unaware that dragging someone behind your car at speed for several miles might kill them.

Stirlingsays 14 Apr 22 11.36am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It doesn't, unfortunately, make it untrue. Trump's election victory was tinged by corrupt Russian interference, as was Brexit. Le Pen has this skeleton in her closet too. Do you detect a pattern here? That you manage to weave "immigration" into every comment suggests you are a little obsessed by it. The highlighted words are far more true of yourself. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

14 Apr 22 11.36am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It doesn't, unfortunately, make it untrue. Trump's election victory was tinged by corrupt Russian interference, as was Brexit. Le Pen has this skeleton in her closet too. Do you detect a pattern here?

That you manage to weave "immigration" into every comment suggests you are a little obsessed by it.

The highlighted words are far more true of yourself.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 22 1.04pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It doesn't, unfortunately, make it untrue. Trump's election victory was tinged by corrupt Russian interference, as was Brexit. Le Pen has this skeleton in her closet too. Do you detect a pattern here? That you manage to weave "immigration" into every comment suggests you are a little obsessed by it. Thanks for confirming that I am right. The biggest enemy of the West is the West. Putin is merely using our useless policymaking against us. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Apr 2022 1.35pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

14 Apr 22 1.04pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you manage to weave "immigration" into every comment suggests you are a little obsessed by it.

Thanks for confirming that I am right.

The biggest enemy of the West is the West. Putin is merely using our useless policymaking against us.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Apr 2022 1.35pm)

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