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Painter Flag Croydon 31 Oct 23 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Croydon Sunset

I didn't like reading them, not exactly inspiring man management from Roy there. But it feels like Roy code for 'give me some effing money to spend in January'

Roy doesn’t buy players, it’s the same in all Premier clubs. Why can’t Roy say what he thinks, to many bland post match interviews with media sound bites. His comments were correct, they didn’t improve the team. To me they may have potential, but they looked very lightweight and were easily brushed aside by experienced pros.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 31 Oct 23 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Roy doesn’t buy players, it’s the same in all Premier clubs. Why can’t Roy say what he thinks, to many bland post match interviews with media sound bites. His comments were correct, they didn’t improve the team. To me they may have potential, but they looked very lightweight and were easily brushed aside by experienced pros.

In not to many words that makes some very relevant points. The young players , are they up to the job? Most people in the game would say no, and Hodgson has handled players of all age groups in his long career , I’m one glad to agree with him.
It is almost laughable that all managers have to give extended interviews week in week out with no one apparently wanting to hear the truth on everything relevant to a teams performances. He didn’t say they lost us the game , he said in so many words they are not good enough to be his subs. By referring to them as kids, people are talking about the young players involved as if they are children, they are young men, already earning exceptional money, and based on ability the potential to earn a whole lot more.
We know it’s been the trend for some time to not hurt the feelings of the young, but come on, they are not 17 years old on National Service are they, getting told a few home truths most days. Being told you are not doing well enough is always going to happen in football, you move on positively. Eze, didn’t get to us unscathed.
Added to that JRS, in. Particular , whom I have time for , is finding it very hard to cope with big international quality full backs , they just overwhelm him , mature man against young man. He can develop ,but to much of this will hurt his confidence far more than Roy saying your not ready, you need more time, public or otherwise.

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 31 Oct 23 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

In not to many words that makes some very relevant points. The young players , are they up to the job? Most people in the game would say no, and Hodgson has handled players of all age groups in his long career , I’m one glad to agree with him.
It is almost laughable that all managers have to give extended interviews week in week out with no one apparently wanting to hear the truth on everything relevant to a teams performances. He didn’t say they lost us the game , he said in so many words they are not good enough to be his subs. By referring to them as kids, people are talking about the young players involved as if they are children, they are young men, already earning exceptional money, and based on ability the potential to earn a whole lot more.
We know it’s been the trend for some time to not hurt the feelings of the young, but come on, they are not 17 years old on National Service are they, getting told a few home truths most days. Being told you are not doing well enough is always going to happen in football, you move on positively. Eze, didn’t get to us unscathed.

My only caveat to this is, you can’t realistically expect inexperienced players to come on and change the entire way we were playing (which is what we had to do against Spurs) and then take the game by the scruff of the neck. Lerma, Doucoure are supposed to provide the solidity to the team. Provided they are fit they should play full games every week, so if you are going to change the game it has to come from the players in front of those two and then JRS, Franca, Ahamada must get the support from behind to allow them to do that.

Hughes should be our back up player for one of the Doucoure/Lerma spots and nothing else. He does not have the pace to influence the game anywhere else.

To be honest I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do in the last 20 mins, so to blame the subs is harsh unless of course they didn’t do what they were instructed to do, which is quite possible.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 31 Oct 23 3.17pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My only caveat to this is, you can’t realistically expect inexperienced players to come on and change the entire way we were playing (which is what we had to do against Spurs) and then take the game by the scruff of the neck. Lerma, Doucoure are supposed to provide the solidity to the team. Provided they are fit they should play full games every week, so if you are going to change the game it has to come from the players in front of those two and then JRS, Franca, Ahamada must get the support from behind to allow them to do that.

Hughes should be our back up player for one of the Doucoure/Lerma spots and nothing else. He does not have the pace to influence the game anywhere else.

To be honest I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do in the last 20 mins, so to blame the subs is harsh unless of course they didn’t do what they were instructed to do, which is quite possible.

I don’t think Hodgson expected them to improve the situation , let alone win the game.
I think the point everyone seems to miss is. He hasn’t just found out they are not good enough. What you saw is all he has, and he hopes you know it ,
As ever in these games players had run themselves out, and needed subbing , so he had to get someone on, the lads are on the bench because there is no one else. People have questioned the line up and how it was used anyway , I would like to know who these improvements he could have changed the game with are? Personally I agree with Hodgson , for me JRS, was bullied out of the game,, Franca, was erratic , and a mistake away from disaster, and the French guy didn’t let us know he was there.

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 31 Oct 23 3.48pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My only caveat to this is, you can’t realistically expect inexperienced players to come on and change the entire way we were playing (which is what we had to do against Spurs) and then take the game by the scruff of the neck. Lerma, Doucoure are supposed to provide the solidity to the team. Provided they are fit they should play full games every week, so if you are going to change the game it has to come from the players in front of those two and then JRS, Franca, Ahamada must get the support from behind to allow them to do that.

Hughes should be our back up player for one of the Doucoure/Lerma spots and nothing else. He does not have the pace to influence the game anywhere else.

To be honest I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do in the last 20 mins, so to blame the subs is harsh unless of course they didn’t do what they were instructed to do, which is quite possible.

The notion that JRS and Franca should start is unrealistic currently. It doesn’t matter what support they have behind them, the problem is the experienced pro in front of them of the opposition. They aren’t ready for the first team yet, Roy knows that and appears to be giving them some game time at the end of games.
Premier football is tough, they have done well to get this far, as many talented young players fall by the wayside. They have to prove they are good enough and not just their egos massaged.

 

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Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 31 Oct 23 4.44pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

Last night I watched West Brom v Coventry whilst watching Pal@ce U21 v West Brom u21. The difference in physical presence, work rates and game awareness between the West Brom U21 team and their first team players was stark. It is exactly the same at Palace even the best of the youngsters fail to exhibit the physical presence, work rate and game awareness. We cannot afford to have youngsters in our side that show promise but contribute little more than one at a time if we want to survive. These lads will come through under Roy’s tutoring but to play three in the side at the same time against the Premier League leaders will very definitely weaken our side compared to playing our experienced professionals. Roy can only work with what he has been given and to me he is doing a pretty good job. He introduced the youngsters and it confirmed they are not yet ready to influence games.COYP

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 31 Oct 23 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Brinscalleagle2

Last night I watched West Brom v Coventry whilst watching Pal@ce U21 v West Brom u21. The difference in physical presence, work rates and game awareness between the West Brom U21 team and their first team players was stark. It is exactly the same at Palace even the best of the youngsters fail to exhibit the physical presence, work rate and game awareness. We cannot afford to have youngsters in our side that show promise but contribute little more than one at a time if we want to survive. These lads will come through under Roy’s tutoring but to play three in the side at the same time against the Premier League leaders will very definitely weaken our side compared to playing our experienced professionals. Roy can only work with what he has been given and to me he is doing a pretty good job. He introduced the youngsters and it confirmed they are not yet ready to influence games.COYP

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Plaistow Eagle Flag 31 Oct 23 7.41pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

IMHO - Roy’s comments were unnecessarily negative - especially in a media environment..!!

What he should have said is something like “the premier league is tough, especially when you are playing a team at the top the of table and our younger players will learn from today’s experience” - same connotation - but without the negativity..!!

I get he may be frustrated with injuries and lack of investment - but there’s a time and a place to make those feelings known - and the full glare of the media wasn’t either the time or the place..!!

Conversely - this is the same Roy that has consistently ignored/discounted younger talent over his “favourite” under performing elder “more experienced” players - prime example - why was Riedewald in Fridays squad over Ozoh..??

Beyond that he has now got to pick these players up and motivate them…!!

In summary inappropriate comments at the wrong time to the wrong audience - not something you would expect from a Manager of Roy’s experience..!!

COYP

 

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PatrickA Flag London 01 Nov 23 1.28pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

There seems to be split opinion on this (no bad thing - it is a discussion forum).
Some think the negativity to young players is unhelpful, others believe they need criticism to fire them up.
I’ve just watched an interview with John Terry, and one of the questions asked was why Salah and DeBruyne failed at Chelsea given their obvious brilliance.
He said they lost confidence because of the criticism from the management which they couldn’t take as young players.
Terry said he regrets not doing more to help them.
It’s a difficult balance to achieve as criticism can be justified and helpful to players, but that’s two weeks in a row that Roy has criticised them, and I hope in training he’s encouraging them and offering the carrot as well as the stick.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Nov 23 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

There seems to be split opinion on this (no bad thing - it is a discussion forum).
Some think the negativity to young players is unhelpful, others believe they need criticism to fire them up.
I’ve just watched an interview with John Terry, and one of the questions asked was why Salah and DeBruyne failed at Chelsea given their obvious brilliance.
He said they lost confidence because of the criticism from the management which they couldn’t take as young players.
Terry said he regrets not doing more to help them.
It’s a difficult balance to achieve as criticism can be justified and helpful to players, but that’s two weeks in a row that Roy has criticised them, and I hope in training he’s encouraging them and offering the carrot as well as the stick.

The debate is not so much should he criticise the young players ,as should it be public.
Not sure Sala, or DeBruyne, were criticised in public.but as with all young players criticism would have been part of their day to day. The fact is managers are not going to hang their future on being nice to players that don’t satisfy., no matter their age, yes there are ways to do it, and one might not be to do it in public.
I think Roy has crossed a line of sorts, but this has the appearance of something already being played out in house, if not it is now.
This situation has been sacking territory so why not now? Well indeed, why not? because Roy is an intelligent man fully aware of the sacking factors , it looks like a please your self to me, due to the provocation of the club not forming a more experienced squad for him to work with, .It’s just a case of Will the club bite?
If they did what sort of football genius is lurking out there to pick up the reigns?

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 01 Nov 23 4.09pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

The debate is not so much should he criticise the young players ,as should it be public.
Not sure Sala, or DeBruyne, were criticised in public.but as with all young players criticism would have been part of their day to day. The fact is managers are not going to hang their future on being nice to players that don’t satisfy., no matter their age, yes there are ways to do it, and one might not be to do it in public.
I think Roy has crossed a line of sorts, but this has the appearance of something already being played out in house, if not it is now.
This situation has been sacking territory so why not now? Well indeed, why not? because Roy is an intelligent man fully aware of the sacking factors , it looks like a please your self to me, due to the provocation of the club not forming a more experienced squad for him to work with, .It’s just a case of Will the club bite?
If they did what sort of football genius is lurking out there to pick up the reigns?

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are hinting at here. Why would Hodgson act in this manner? What is he trying to say? Does he feel slighted in some way? I repeat, he worked with Parish for four seasons previously, and he must have been aware of what was happening with Vieira, so much so he was approached behind Vieira's back long before Vieira was actually sacked. What was Hodgson expecting from Parish, other than a one year contract? Let's not delude ourselves, Hodgson has been in the game a long time and knows the score.
The only thing I would ask him is "Why Roy? Why take the role on and then complain about what you already know?"

Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 4.11pm)

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Nov 23 5.34pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are hinting at here. Why would Hodgson act in this manner? What is he trying to say? Does he feel slighted in some way? I repeat, he worked with Parish for four seasons previously, and he must have been aware of what was happening with Vieira, so much so he was approached behind Vieira's back long before Vieira was actually sacked. What was Hodgson expecting from Parish, other than a one year contract? Let's not delude ourselves, Hodgson has been in the game a long time and knows the score.
The only thing I would ask him is "Why Roy? Why take the role on and then complain about what you already know?"

Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 4.11pm)

The one thing Hodgson definitely is, is intelligent , which would indicate he doesn’t get bitten twice without a reaction. He has made it very clear on a number of occasions what he needed, what he wanted, because of that it’s hardly likely he wasn’t given to believe he would get what he wanted, needed. There is a thread elsewhere bemoaning the lack of the very numbers Hodgson said he wanted , once again ,more than once, and totally in line with the obvious.
Yes he knows this season is it for him, so break the habit of a lifetime not much to lose, go public just enough to let it be known thie situation he in is not his idea. We have to disagree.on what he already knew , you could say he should have known that’s all . Most people work on trust Hodgson , probably does.

 

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