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Painter Croydon 31 Oct 23 1.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Croydon Sunset
I didn't like reading them, not exactly inspiring man management from Roy there. But it feels like Roy code for 'give me some effing money to spend in January' Roy doesn’t buy players, it’s the same in all Premier clubs. Why can’t Roy say what he thinks, to many bland post match interviews with media sound bites. His comments were correct, they didn’t improve the team. To me they may have potential, but they looked very lightweight and were easily brushed aside by experienced pros.
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Putitout Oxford 31 Oct 23 2.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
Roy doesn’t buy players, it’s the same in all Premier clubs. Why can’t Roy say what he thinks, to many bland post match interviews with media sound bites. His comments were correct, they didn’t improve the team. To me they may have potential, but they looked very lightweight and were easily brushed aside by experienced pros. In not to many words that makes some very relevant points. The young players , are they up to the job? Most people in the game would say no, and Hodgson has handled players of all age groups in his long career , I’m one glad to agree with him. Edited by Putitout (31 Oct 2023 2.46pm)
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Eaglecoops CR3 31 Oct 23 2.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
In not to many words that makes some very relevant points. The young players , are they up to the job? Most people in the game would say no, and Hodgson has handled players of all age groups in his long career , I’m one glad to agree with him. My only caveat to this is, you can’t realistically expect inexperienced players to come on and change the entire way we were playing (which is what we had to do against Spurs) and then take the game by the scruff of the neck. Lerma, Doucoure are supposed to provide the solidity to the team. Provided they are fit they should play full games every week, so if you are going to change the game it has to come from the players in front of those two and then JRS, Franca, Ahamada must get the support from behind to allow them to do that. Hughes should be our back up player for one of the Doucoure/Lerma spots and nothing else. He does not have the pace to influence the game anywhere else. To be honest I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do in the last 20 mins, so to blame the subs is harsh unless of course they didn’t do what they were instructed to do, which is quite possible.
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Putitout Oxford 31 Oct 23 3.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
My only caveat to this is, you can’t realistically expect inexperienced players to come on and change the entire way we were playing (which is what we had to do against Spurs) and then take the game by the scruff of the neck. Lerma, Doucoure are supposed to provide the solidity to the team. Provided they are fit they should play full games every week, so if you are going to change the game it has to come from the players in front of those two and then JRS, Franca, Ahamada must get the support from behind to allow them to do that. Hughes should be our back up player for one of the Doucoure/Lerma spots and nothing else. He does not have the pace to influence the game anywhere else. To be honest I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do in the last 20 mins, so to blame the subs is harsh unless of course they didn’t do what they were instructed to do, which is quite possible. I don’t think Hodgson expected them to improve the situation , let alone win the game.
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Painter Croydon 31 Oct 23 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
My only caveat to this is, you can’t realistically expect inexperienced players to come on and change the entire way we were playing (which is what we had to do against Spurs) and then take the game by the scruff of the neck. Lerma, Doucoure are supposed to provide the solidity to the team. Provided they are fit they should play full games every week, so if you are going to change the game it has to come from the players in front of those two and then JRS, Franca, Ahamada must get the support from behind to allow them to do that. Hughes should be our back up player for one of the Doucoure/Lerma spots and nothing else. He does not have the pace to influence the game anywhere else. To be honest I couldn’t work out what we were trying to do in the last 20 mins, so to blame the subs is harsh unless of course they didn’t do what they were instructed to do, which is quite possible. The notion that JRS and Franca should start is unrealistic currently. It doesn’t matter what support they have behind them, the problem is the experienced pro in front of them of the opposition. They aren’t ready for the first team yet, Roy knows that and appears to be giving them some game time at the end of games.
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Brinscalleagle2 Brinscall 31 Oct 23 4.44pm | |
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Last night I watched West Brom v Coventry whilst watching Pal@ce U21 v West Brom u21. The difference in physical presence, work rates and game awareness between the West Brom U21 team and their first team players was stark. It is exactly the same at Palace even the best of the youngsters fail to exhibit the physical presence, work rate and game awareness. We cannot afford to have youngsters in our side that show promise but contribute little more than one at a time if we want to survive. These lads will come through under Roy’s tutoring but to play three in the side at the same time against the Premier League leaders will very definitely weaken our side compared to playing our experienced professionals. Roy can only work with what he has been given and to me he is doing a pretty good job. He introduced the youngsters and it confirmed they are not yet ready to influence games.COYP
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Putitout Oxford 31 Oct 23 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Brinscalleagle2
Last night I watched West Brom v Coventry whilst watching Pal@ce U21 v West Brom u21. The difference in physical presence, work rates and game awareness between the West Brom U21 team and their first team players was stark. It is exactly the same at Palace even the best of the youngsters fail to exhibit the physical presence, work rate and game awareness. We cannot afford to have youngsters in our side that show promise but contribute little more than one at a time if we want to survive. These lads will come through under Roy’s tutoring but to play three in the side at the same time against the Premier League leaders will very definitely weaken our side compared to playing our experienced professionals. Roy can only work with what he has been given and to me he is doing a pretty good job. He introduced the youngsters and it confirmed they are not yet ready to influence games.COYP The situation explained .
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Plaistow Eagle 31 Oct 23 7.41pm | |
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IMHO - Roy’s comments were unnecessarily negative - especially in a media environment..!! What he should have said is something like “the premier league is tough, especially when you are playing a team at the top the of table and our younger players will learn from today’s experience” - same connotation - but without the negativity..!! I get he may be frustrated with injuries and lack of investment - but there’s a time and a place to make those feelings known - and the full glare of the media wasn’t either the time or the place..!! Conversely - this is the same Roy that has consistently ignored/discounted younger talent over his “favourite” under performing elder “more experienced” players - prime example - why was Riedewald in Fridays squad over Ozoh..?? Beyond that he has now got to pick these players up and motivate them…!! In summary inappropriate comments at the wrong time to the wrong audience - not something you would expect from a Manager of Roy’s experience..!! COYP
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PatrickA London 01 Nov 23 1.28pm | |
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There seems to be split opinion on this (no bad thing - it is a discussion forum).
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Putitout Oxford 01 Nov 23 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
There seems to be split opinion on this (no bad thing - it is a discussion forum). The debate is not so much should he criticise the young players ,as should it be public.
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southnorwoodhill 01 Nov 23 4.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
The debate is not so much should he criticise the young players ,as should it be public. I'm not sure I fully understand what you are hinting at here. Why would Hodgson act in this manner? What is he trying to say? Does he feel slighted in some way? I repeat, he worked with Parish for four seasons previously, and he must have been aware of what was happening with Vieira, so much so he was approached behind Vieira's back long before Vieira was actually sacked. What was Hodgson expecting from Parish, other than a one year contract? Let's not delude ourselves, Hodgson has been in the game a long time and knows the score. Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 4.11pm)
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Putitout Oxford 01 Nov 23 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
I'm not sure I fully understand what you are hinting at here. Why would Hodgson act in this manner? What is he trying to say? Does he feel slighted in some way? I repeat, he worked with Parish for four seasons previously, and he must have been aware of what was happening with Vieira, so much so he was approached behind Vieira's back long before Vieira was actually sacked. What was Hodgson expecting from Parish, other than a one year contract? Let's not delude ourselves, Hodgson has been in the game a long time and knows the score. Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 4.11pm) The one thing Hodgson definitely is, is intelligent , which would indicate he doesn’t get bitten twice without a reaction. He has made it very clear on a number of occasions what he needed, what he wanted, because of that it’s hardly likely he wasn’t given to believe he would get what he wanted, needed. There is a thread elsewhere bemoaning the lack of the very numbers Hodgson said he wanted , once again ,more than once, and totally in line with the obvious.
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