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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 9.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Read the thread! There’s a lot more than that. That their spectre is even on the horizon is concern enough! That attitude has allowed us to get where we are now. We defeated the Nazis, only to allow the destruction of what we were supposedly defending.

Hrolf The Ganger

16 Jun 24 9.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Read the thread!

There’s a lot more than that.

That their spectre is even on the horizon is concern enough!

That attitude has allowed us to get where we are now.

We defeated the Nazis, only to allow the destruction of what we were supposedly defending.

Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 9.09pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It what we are talking about. Broad it is! Your broad church has allowed some very undesirable people in. They want to burn it down. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jun 2024 9.09pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

16 Jun 24 9.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It what we are talking about. Broad it is!

Your broad church has allowed some very undesirable people in.

They want to burn it down.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jun 2024 9.09pm)

PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Jun 24 10.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We defeated the Nazis, only to allow the destruction of what we were supposedly defending. Just after VE Day , i think it was General Patton. Commenting on beating the Nazis by taking sides with Stalin's Marxists. "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the b******s now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually." Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 16 Jun 24 10.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We defeated the Nazis, only to allow the destruction of what we were supposedly defending.

Just after VE Day , i think it was General Patton. Commenting on beating the Nazis by taking sides with Stalin's Marxists.

"We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the b******s now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually."

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 10.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That attitude has allowed us to get where we are now. We defeated the Nazis, only to allow the destruction of what we were supposedly defending. We only defeated the Nazis with the support of others. What were we defending? Our way of life, heritage, history and freedom of expression? Or the concept that our identity is defined by our DNA? The latter seems to me to better represent what we were fighting. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 10.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That attitude has allowed us to get where we are now.

We defeated the Nazis, only to allow the destruction of what we were supposedly defending.

We only defeated the Nazis with the support of others.

What were we defending? Our way of life, heritage, history and freedom of expression? Or the concept that our identity is defined by our DNA?

The latter seems to me to better represent what we were fighting.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 10.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your broad church has allowed some very undesirable people in. They want to burn it down. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jun 2024 9.09pm) These posts get ever more confused! That our ethnicity encompasses a broad range of people who all accept the same culture has nothing to do with the way we manage our immigration policy. We can improve the way we manage the way we ensure every newcomer learns about, and accepts, our culture but not before they are here. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 24 10.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your broad church has allowed some very undesirable people in.

They want to burn it down.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jun 2024 9.09pm)

These posts get ever more confused!

That our ethnicity encompasses a broad range of people who all accept the same culture has nothing to do with the way we manage our immigration policy.

We can improve the way we manage the way we ensure every newcomer learns about, and accepts, our culture but not before they are here.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 16 Jun 24 10.35pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio i would have more respect for Orangemen in Belfast if they could find a different poster-boy than Cromwell. i mean, you wouldn't parade Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot up and down on a banner. Cromwell was an Englishman, a regicide, and a war criminal. Had the crimes of Cromwell never happened, i reckon the subsequent 400 years in Ireland would have more peaceful. And the Protestant Reformation would probably have taken hold peacefully there. Who is English ? Cromwell is probably best forgotten. From an Irish perspective yes. From an English perspective Cromwell was kind of pivotal in English history as he had the King executed...which I'm not exactly a fan of... but he also implemented important military changes. But yeah, not my favourite Englishman in history. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Jun 24 10.35pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i would have more respect for Orangemen in Belfast if they could find a different poster-boy than Cromwell.

i mean, you wouldn't parade Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot up and down on a banner. Cromwell was an Englishman, a regicide, and a war criminal.

Had the crimes of Cromwell never happened, i reckon the subsequent 400 years in Ireland would have more peaceful. And the Protestant Reformation would probably have taken hold peacefully there.

Who is English ? Cromwell is probably best forgotten.

From an Irish perspective yes.

From an English perspective Cromwell was kind of pivotal in English history as he had the King executed...which I'm not exactly a fan of... but he also implemented important military changes.

But yeah, not my favourite Englishman in history.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 16 Jun 24 10.42pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Just after VE Day , i think it was General Patton. Commenting on beating the Nazis by taking sides with Stalin's Marxists. "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the b******s now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually." Yep, I came round to Patton's view. Involving ourselves in WW2 was a terrible mistake. We should have taken the Irish position. As Churchill said himself, it was the 'unnecessary war'. I recommend people read Patrick J Buchanan's book of the same name. [Link] Anyone who suggests that what that Reform spokesman said was extreme is either lying or doesn't know that this opinion was always there right from the beginning of the war, has books written on it, and has been stated many times.....the mainstream obviously always protect their narratives....for obvious reasons. However, the more I learnt about it the more my opinion changed from the traditional viewpoint I was raised with to what many in the DR now think of this war.....and indeed wars that aren't existential....which is most of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2024 10.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Jun 24 10.42pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Just after VE Day , i think it was General Patton. Commenting on beating the Nazis by taking sides with Stalin's Marxists.

"We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the b******s now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually."

Yep, I came round to Patton's view.

Involving ourselves in WW2 was a terrible mistake. We should have taken the Irish position.

As Churchill said himself, it was the 'unnecessary war'.

I recommend people read Patrick J Buchanan's book of the same name.

[Link]

Anyone who suggests that what that Reform spokesman said was extreme is either lying or doesn't know that this opinion was always there right from the beginning of the war, has books written on it, and has been stated many times.....the mainstream obviously always protect their narratives....for obvious reasons.

However, the more I learnt about it the more my opinion changed from the traditional viewpoint I was raised with to what many in the DR now think of this war.....and indeed wars that aren't existential....which is most of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2024 10.43pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Jun 24 10.45pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We only defeated the Nazis with the support of others. the same Nazi's that worshipped the English ? Hitler loved watching videos of a handful of Englishmen kicking ass in India. You did see the footage of Nazi's visiting England to go Foxhunting ? Their virulent Antisemitism was only counterpointed by their admiration for John Bull. Certainly in the early 1930s it seemed to be a bit of a Bromance from one bloody Empire to another. Hitler regarded the maps of the British Empire as evidence for much of his racial ideology. Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Jun 2024 10.53pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 16 Jun 24 10.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We only defeated the Nazis with the support of others.

the same Nazi's that worshipped the English ? Hitler loved watching videos of a handful of Englishmen kicking ass in India.

You did see the footage of Nazi's visiting England to go Foxhunting ? Their virulent Antisemitism was only counterpointed by their admiration for John Bull. Certainly in the early 1930s

it seemed to be a bit of a Bromance from one bloody Empire to another. Hitler regarded the maps of the British Empire as evidence for much of his racial ideology.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Jun 2024 10.53pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 16 Jun 24 10.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Open your eyes. He did, and moved to 'whiter than white' Cornwall. 'Evolving' hypocritically. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Jun 24 10.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Open your eyes.

He did, and moved to 'whiter than white' Cornwall.

'Evolving' hypocritically.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 8.04am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We only defeated the Nazis with the support of others. What were we defending? Our way of life, heritage, history and freedom of expression? Or the concept that our identity is defined by our DNA? The latter seems to me to better represent what we were fighting. And now we are surrendering it. DNA is a scientific fact. It's not some weird Nazi head measuring exercise. You are a little confused.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Jun 24 8.04am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We only defeated the Nazis with the support of others.

What were we defending? Our way of life, heritage, history and freedom of expression? Or the concept that our identity is defined by our DNA?

The latter seems to me to better represent what we were fighting.

And now we are surrendering it.

DNA is a scientific fact. It's not some weird Nazi head measuring exercise. You are a little confused.

Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Jun 24 8.45am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And now we are surrendering it. DNA is a scientific fact. It's not some weird Nazi head measuring exercise. You are a little confused. I see Truro is twinned with Brittany. I Wonder what links the two? The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 17 Jun 24 8.45am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And now we are surrendering it.

DNA is a scientific fact. It's not some weird Nazi head measuring exercise. You are a little confused.

I see Truro is twinned with Brittany.
I Wonder what links the two?

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 8.54am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And now we are surrendering it. DNA is a scientific fact. It's not some weird Nazi head measuring exercise. You are a little confused. Who suggested DNA isn’t a scientific fact? It is. So are millions of other things. None of them have anything to do with what ethnicity is. Culture, heritage and history are not defined by science. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 8.54am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And now we are surrendering it.

DNA is a scientific fact. It's not some weird Nazi head measuring exercise. You are a little confused.

Who suggested DNA isn’t a scientific fact? It is. So are millions of other things.

None of them have anything to do with what ethnicity is. Culture, heritage and history are not defined by science.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.00am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan I see Truro is twinned with Brittany. I Wonder what links the two? Truro, like many places, is twinned. Truro twice! With towns in France and in Germany. Cultural exchanges occur. Culture is therefore the link. Not DNA. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.00am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I see Truro is twinned with Brittany.
I Wonder what links the two?

Truro, like many places, is twinned.

Truro twice! With towns in France and in Germany. Cultural exchanges occur.

Culture is therefore the link. Not DNA.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 9.46am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Who suggested DNA isn’t a scientific fact? It is. So are millions of other things. None of them have anything to do with what ethnicity is. Culture, heritage and history are not defined by science. Don't be ridiculous. Ethnicity is a broad term that can mean just about anything, including genetic make up. If you think genes have nothing to do with defining certain groups, then you need to go back to school.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Jun 24 9.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who suggested DNA isn’t a scientific fact? It is. So are millions of other things.

None of them have anything to do with what ethnicity is. Culture, heritage and history are not defined by science.

Don't be ridiculous.

Ethnicity is a broad term that can mean just about anything, including genetic make up.
If you think genes have nothing to do with defining certain groups, then you need to go back to school.

Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Jun 24 10.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Truro, like many places, is twinned. Truro twice! With towns in France and in Germany. Cultural exchanges occur. Culture is therefore the link. Not DNA. Being quarter french, quarter English & half nonsense you should know this, come back to me when you've finished studying it The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 17 Jun 24 10.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Truro, like many places, is twinned.

Truro twice! With towns in France and in Germany. Cultural exchanges occur.

Culture is therefore the link. Not DNA.

Being quarter french, quarter English & half nonsense you should know this, come back to me when you've finished studying it

The mountains are calling & I must go.

PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Jun 24 11.07am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Culture is therefore the link. Not DNA. sorry to disagree Wisbech. DNA does matter. reference my opinion above. The locals must accept you as one of their own. Therefore a blonde kid, of European DNA, can be born and bred in Japan. The Japanese will never regard them the same as all the other kids in the class. Even if said kid can sound perfectly Japanese on the Phone. Wisbech, you probably blame the Japanese. The rest of us respect the wishes of 150 million people. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 17 Jun 24 11.07am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Culture is therefore the link. Not DNA.

sorry to disagree Wisbech. DNA does matter.

reference my opinion above. The locals must accept you as one of their own.

Therefore a blonde kid, of European DNA, can be born and bred in Japan. The Japanese will never regard them the same as all the other kids in the class. Even if said kid can sound perfectly Japanese on the Phone.

Wisbech, you probably blame the Japanese. The rest of us respect the wishes of 150 million people.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jun 24 12.41pm
Shemima Begum isn't anymore. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jun 24 12.41pm

Shemima Begum isn't anymore.

Red and Blue Army!

Badger11 Beckenham 17 Jun 24 12.56pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Shemima Begum isn't anymore. But her lawyers will keep trying. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 17 Jun 24 12.56pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Shemima Begum isn't anymore.

But her lawyers will keep trying.

One more point

Eagle Black. South Croydon 17 Jun 24 1.01pm
Not me gov, i'm british.

Eagle Black.

South Croydon 17 Jun 24 1.01pm

Not me gov, i'm british.

Stirlingsays 17 Jun 24 1.17pm
Originally posted by Eagle Black. Not me gov, i'm british. Predictably. But where are your genetics from? Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 1.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Jun 24 1.17pm

Originally posted by Eagle Black.

Not me gov, i'm british.

Predictably.

But where are your genetics from?

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 1.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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