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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 30 Jul 24 1.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More lefty diversionary claptrap with a dose of faux outrage.

Focus your outrage on the scum who did this and the people who allowed heathens like him to come here.

Useful idiots need to take their share of the blame. Own it.

The immediate attempt to claim ground and score points by both left, right and everything in-between on this thread is in full flow and beyond depressing.

In your case, new lows. A hollowed out shell of a man, who chooses to use his last days of life glued to a screen hijacking threads s***posting ideological dross 24/7.

I do feel sympathy for your family, owing to the limited amount of time you must devote to actual human interaction as a result.

What a way to go out. What an existence.

I pity you.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jul 24 1.10pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

The immediate attempt to claim ground and score points by both left, right and everything in-between on this thread is in full flow and beyond depressing.

In your case, new lows. A hollowed out shell of a man, who chooses to use his last days of life glued to a screen hijacking threads s***posting ideological dross 24/7.

I do feel sympathy for your family, owing to the limited amount of time you must devote to actual human interaction as a result.

What a way to go out. What an existence.

I pity you.

So the bloke turns out of Rwandan heritage. The speculation was correct. The problem is that this is no surprise to anyone.

You are getting very personal, but not to worry, because you are of no consequence.

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 1.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I want to address this tendency to tar everyone very angry about the state the nation is in with the usual easy brushes.

I have long since stopped caring about what the left think outside of some commentators I have time for however it's important that this continual mis-framing is corrected from time to time.

No one here wants to deport Frank Bruno or David Kurten or anyone else who actually properly assimilated and rejected multiculturalism.

When numbers were small and the national culture and heritage centre stage and proudly promoted some immigration could occur without significant damage. Many countries around the world understand this and work to maintain business ownership and other laws to ensure their demographic and hence country isn't lost on their watches.

What people are very angry about is the destruction of these isles by its enemies both foreign and domestic. It is far from being just about imports who should never have been allowed to settle here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jul 2024 12.51pm)

Indeed.

'Multi-culturism' is a term I fear has long been misapplied and misunderstood.

Within my relatively short lifetime, I have seen that morph from something I enjoyed - a common culture and identity comprising of individuals with different heritages, which were shared and enjoyed, to an antisocial monster - overpopulated, warring factions living side by side, continuously egged on to oppose one another, without any common thread to unite them.

The narcissistic obsession and the relentless push for people to separate themselves from one another (race, sex, sexuality, etc.) is turning this nation and others into some sort of Mad Max dystopia. Seemingly everyone has taken their eyes of reality.

In this particular case, all the things the left seemingly indulge and right oppose, based off of unwell individuals' warped view of the world, are of no concern to me whatsoever. Sticking with this instance, common sense and truth need to be applied for the issue to be best identified and action taken. If immigration is to blame, f**king do something about it. If it isn't, take it off the table as it serves no purpose in identifying said solutions so people can live without fear of their children being murdered on any given Monday, in any situation.

Children being murdered in the street, for me, is far more of an issue than what anybody thinks of themselves and others. I really couldn't give a f**k for any personal characteristics of the victims or the perpetrators, I just want to see something done to prevent things like this from happening.

We either decide as a nation, regardless of the individuals and their 'personal characteristics' within it, that this is acceptable in Britain or it is not.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 30 Jul 24 1.15pm

Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

So he is Black, Public hanging required..

Why not? We could have Gary Lineker commentating.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jul 24 1.27pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Why not? We could have Gary Lineker commentating.

Despite the obvious link between mass immigration and the increase in violent crime, it should not be an excuse to evoke some 1960s style racism.

The issue here is not about skin colour. It is about the relationship immigrants develop or bring to our society. Many will integrate without problems, some despite years of petty racism, but a significant and growing number see Britain as the enemy despite happily settling or even being born here. A disproportionate number seem to have mental health issues or get sucked into gangs, organised crime or extremism.

Despite all of this being predictable and apparent to our politicians, they have increased the rates of immigration as if the results are simply acceptable collateral damage.

If you want to hang someone, I'd say that better candidates probably now reside in the two houses of Parliament or in a leafy mansion somewhere nice.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jul 2024 1.28pm)

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 1.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Despite the obvious link between mass immigration and the increase in violent crime, it should not be an excuse to evoke some 1960s style racism.

The issue here is not about skin colour. It is about the relationship immigrants develop or bring to our society. Many will integrate without problems, some despite years of petty racism, but a significant and growing number see Britain as the enemy despite happily settling or even being born here. A disproportionate number seem to have mental health issues or get sucked into gangs, organised crime or extremism.

Despite all of this being predictable and apparent to our politicians, they have increased the rates of immigration as if the results are simply acceptable collateral damage.

If you want to hang someone, I'd say that better candidates probably now reside in the two houses of Parliament or in a leafy mansion somewhere nice.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jul 2024 1.28pm)

Absolutely.

People have to take responsibility for their own lives and politicians have to take responsibility for this nation if they choose and are given the chance to be in that position. That's the job.

This is a catastrophic example of both of those failures and no distraction from addressing that should tolerated, whether it be mindless racism or any desperation to protect opposing ideology.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Jul 24 1.40pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Absolutely.

People have to take responsibility for their own lives and politicians have to take responsibility for this nation if they choose and are given the chance to be in that position. That's the job.

This is a catastrophic example of both of those failures and no distraction from addressing that should tolerated, whether it be mindless racism or any desperation to protect opposing ideology.

I saw Starmer's response with a Union Jack in the background - how dare he. He doesn't give a f*** about the country or the people.

 


Red and Blue Army!

eaglesdare Flag 30 Jul 24 1.47pm

Very sad update:

[Link]

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 30 Jul 24 1.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Despite the obvious link between mass immigration and the increase in violent crime, it should not be an excuse to evoke some 1960s style racism.

The issue here is not about skin colour. It is about the relationship immigrants develop or bring to our society. Many will integrate without problems, some despite years of petty racism, but a significant and growing number see Britain as the enemy despite happily settling or even being born here. A disproportionate number seem to have mental health issues or get sucked into gangs, organised crime or extremism.

Despite all of this being predictable and apparent to our politicians, they have increased the rates of immigration as if the results are simply acceptable collateral damage.

If you want to hang someone, I'd say that better candidates probably now reside in the two houses of Parliament or in a leafy mansion somewhere nice.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jul 2024 1.28pm)

I presume you realise that my comment was not serious and that if we did hang people it should be regardless of race!?

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 1.52pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I saw Starmer's response with a Union Jack in the background - how dare he. He doesn't give a f*** about the country or the people.

I have my own feelings about it all AS, which aren't going to differ from yours, but today is not the day for that, nor will it serve any purpose beyond my own despair.

Haven't mentioned it thus far but with all the sincerity I have within me, my thoughts are with the victims and the families. It's so awful and it does feel as though a line has been crossed. I hope so anyway.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 30 Jul 24 1.56pm

Doubtless he will be found to be severely mentally ill, then sent to Broadmoor indefinitely.

I used to be against the death penalty. However when a human being is so mentally damaged to have slaughtered those poor kids and adults in a preplanned attack, I'd suggest he is in a state beyond help. There is no good reason to keep that person alive at the nation's expence. I'd impose a humane death.

If the suspect has been radicalised. Even more reason to execute only this time let them experience the terror of hanging.

Never thought I'd feel this way.

 


I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 2.07pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

Doubtless he will be found to be severely mentally ill, then sent to Broadmoor indefinitely.

I used to be against the death penalty. However when a human being is so mentally damaged to have slaughtered those poor kids and adults in a preplanned attack, I'd suggest he is in a state beyond help. There is no good reason to keep that person alive at the nation's expence. I'd impose a humane death.

If the suspect has been radicalised. Even more reason to execute only this time let them experience the terror of hanging.

Never thought I'd feel this way.

I empathise.

I was always opposed to and patronisingly critical of Americans for gun laws and attitudes. Reaching a point however where I do believe citizens should be able to arm themselves as you seemingly can't rely on anyone else to protect you, especially the state, where we may have done previously.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

becky Flag over the moon 30 Jul 24 2.10pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I empathise.

I was always opposed to and patronisingly critical of Americans for gun laws and attitudes. Reaching a point however where I do believe citizens should be able to arm themselves as you seemingly can't rely on anyone else to protect you, especially the state, where we may have done previously.

An aerosol can of Deep Heat is very popular with a lot of females, especially when you have sore muscles from running away from attackers...... but do be careful not to get any in their eyes, as it has a rather unpleasant and debilitating effect


Oh, and it's not illegal to have a can about one's person either...

Edited by becky (30 Jul 2024 2.11pm)

 


A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jul 24 2.16pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

I presume you realise that my comment was not serious and that if we did hang people it should be regardless of race!?

I did detect the humour.

I was really just making a serious point off the back of it.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 30 Jul 24 2.24pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I empathise.

I was always opposed to and patronisingly critical of Americans for gun laws and attitudes. Reaching a point however where I do believe citizens should be able to arm themselves as you seemingly can't rely on anyone else to protect you, especially the state, where we may have done previously.

The trajectory of movement is towards a kind of Northern Ireland during the Troubles situation but with even more competing groups.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Jul 24 2.24pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Very sad update:

[Link]

I think that, with respect to all other victims, this one has been the most difficult to stomach.

Little girls having fun at a school holiday activity in a place of apparent safety.

Without knowing the victims, this almost becomes personal.

This could be anyone of our children or grandchildren.

All we get from politicians is gratitude to the uniforms and heart felt sympathy.

That is just hollow words, and it just isn't enough.

 

becky Flag over the moon 30 Jul 24 2.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think that, with respect to all other victims, this one has been the most difficult to stomach.

Little girls having fun at a school holiday activity in a place of apparent safety.

Without knowing the victims, this almost becomes personal.

This could be anyone of our children or grandchildren.

All we get from politicians is gratitude to the uniforms and heart felt sympathy.

That is just hollow words, and it just isn't enough.

I often wonder how many of the public figures who always reel out the well-worn phrase 'Our thoughts and prayers are with the family/friends/colleagues of the victim(s)' every actually do pray? Jacob Rees-Mogg could well be the exception.

 


A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 30 Jul 24 2.56pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

You know the details of the perpetrator then? Serious question.

And for clarity, I am suggesting anyone who would immediately look to hijack this for a personal agenda is unwell, whether that be 'blame immigration' or 'protect immigration'. That's not the issue at hand.

As someone who can technically classified as 'second generation' I am completely disinterested in any side debate. Where my priority lies is with 'Why did this happen, what has allowed this to happen and most importantly, what needs to be done?'. I'm a father myself, that's all I care about and that is where I would be willing to sacrifice all else.

Anyone prioritising otherwise is a gutless coward as far as I am concerned, from politicians to the man on the street. To suggest any notion of being powerless over such things is morally unforgivable but seems to be the state of the nation at the moment. It's moral cowards who need to be removed for anything like justice to prevail. I don't believe people are inherently without morals, they just lack courage and any man should be willing to sacrifice his own interests to protect children.

I'll happily admit I feel, as I often do, quite powerless in this situation but I do not just accept that as an inevitability nor will I abandon my own thinking to comfort myself. I fear that many have however and that's where both the far 'left' and 'right' demonstrate their cowardice, as two sides of the same coin, more concerned with the opposing faction than anything resembling truth and therefore solutions to what are horrific circumstances.

There is a reason such things are not a rarity anymore and therefore there will be a solution.

Seconded, actually talking about the horrendous incident

 


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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 30 Jul 24 3.02pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I saw Starmer's response with a Union Jack in the background - how dare he. He doesn't give a f*** about the country or the people.

For god sake man, do you ever read anyone's post, read Nicholas91s post, you should be ashamed of making it a pollical issue

 


“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 24 3.08pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Children have been murdered in the middle of the day and you're worried about 'due process'. That's your concern?

And what 'sanity' are you worried about? The kind of sanity and due process which has allowed this to become a reality?

I suggest you read my post again.

What concerns me is not due process. It’s the type of attitudes on display here making things worse, not better. Due process is the means to obtain that end.

I have read some harrowing accounts of the experiences suffered yesterday which brought me to tears. Making sure that those that survived do well and that those who witnessed it are supported is all that matters right now. We can leave dealing with the suspect to the police and then try to understand how anyone could do something like that. Now isn’t the time for that.

 


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