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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jun 16 1.04pm
Originally posted by nickgusset This will confuse some. Thatcher's jumper has only flags of Western Europe. That has all changed now and the magnet is this land or Merkel's. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Jun 16 1.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

This will confuse some.

Thatcher's jumper has only flags of Western Europe. That has all changed now and the magnet is this land or Merkel's.

COYP

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jun 16 1.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Are you a teacher? Why do people insist on using Gusset instead of Nick? The Robot Killroy Silk was a joke as someone mentioned people being robots. It was then that I remembered he was one of the original kippers. Christ on a bike some people need to get a sense of humour. Why 'Christ' on a Bike? Why not 'Allah'? Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jun 16 1.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you a teacher? Why do people insist on using Gusset instead of Nick?

The Robot Killroy Silk was a joke as someone mentioned people being robots. It was then that I remembered he was one of the original kippers. Christ on a bike some people need to get a sense of humour.

Why 'Christ' on a Bike? Why not 'Allah'?

Pro USA & Israel

JohnyBoy 12 Jun 16 2.15pm
Originally posted by legaleagle We risk sleepwalking to disaster... Brexit isn't a cure-all for all ailments: Feel your life is missing something or not as good as it used to be? Oh,I know,must be because of those EU migrants...Tosh of the highest order.Bit like the ordinary Protestants and Catholics historically being conned into blaming each other in N Ireland for life's ills. Or maybe its because if we Brexit we can spend £300m a year more on the NHS?.....Yeah,right,don't you just know Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are itching to spend loadsa money on public services.. Or maybe its because we miss having an Empire...Oh dear,the world moved on 50 years ago and we still haven't woken up to it... The EU has many many faults but a looming spectre of possible Brexit really is like heading the wrong way down a one way street at 90mph...scary indeed... Thought this article yesterday was a decent read. [Link] ps. Anyone else ashamed by the cnuts showing off their "patriotism" in Marseilles (shame on those with the Palace flag) and illustrating precisely why the EU was such a good thing in countering dodgy nationalistic tendencies in Europe..do you think our "ambassadors" in Marseilles are likely to be instinctive "remainers" or Brexiters? Good post Legal and a very sobering article. I too would prefer a Trump presidency (given the lesser of two evils)....but it seems that all the warnings from nearly all of our major political parties, nearly all independent forecasters an economists and nearly all of the major unions and TUC are just being dismissed now as 'project fear' or from 'some TLA' who 'have been wrong before'. ...and so we lurch towards a truly dangerous tilt towards far right wing nationalism (in the name of nostalgea and British identity which will surely harm the economy (and with it all of our public services), our living standards, our workers rights and our security....i shake my head that this is even conceivable in what i regarded as a rational society.

JohnyBoy

12 Jun 16 2.15pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

We risk sleepwalking to disaster...

Brexit isn't a cure-all for all ailments:

Feel your life is missing something or not as good as it used to be? Oh,I know,must be because of those EU migrants...Tosh of the highest order.Bit like the ordinary Protestants and Catholics historically being conned into blaming each other in N Ireland for life's ills.

Or maybe its because if we Brexit we can spend £300m a year more on the NHS?.....Yeah,right,don't you just know Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are itching to spend loadsa money on public services..

Or maybe its because we miss having an Empire...Oh dear,the world moved on 50 years ago and we still haven't woken up to it...

The EU has many many faults but a looming spectre of possible Brexit really is like heading the wrong way down a one way street at 90mph...scary indeed...

Thought this article yesterday was a decent read.

[Link]

ps. Anyone else ashamed by the cnuts showing off their "patriotism" in Marseilles (shame on those with the Palace flag) and illustrating precisely why the EU was such a good thing in countering dodgy nationalistic tendencies in Europe..do you think our "ambassadors" in Marseilles are likely to be instinctive "remainers" or Brexiters?

Good post Legal and a very sobering article. I too would prefer a Trump presidency (given the lesser of two evils)....but it seems that all the warnings from nearly all of our major political parties, nearly all independent forecasters an economists and nearly all of the major unions and TUC are just being dismissed now as 'project fear' or from 'some TLA' who 'have been wrong before'.
...and so we lurch towards a truly dangerous tilt towards far right wing nationalism (in the name of nostalgea and British identity which will surely harm the economy (and with it all of our public services), our living standards, our workers rights and our security....i shake my head that this is even conceivable in what i regarded as a rational society.

snytaxx London 12 Jun 16 3.38pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I pity you too...so young but so self all knowing...but perhaps knowing little from some points of view...I wasn't actually comparing EU migration to the Troubles...I was using the example of people being conned by being encouraged to blame their ills on the "other" of a different ethnicity...of which N Ireland's history 1910 (before it was established I know) -1969 was such a shining example... Hopefully,at some point you might even be able to "debate this topic properly" Wow, brilliant, i've never said nor implied that I 'know everything' but don't let that stop you from using it as a patronising mark against me. Then you imply that Brexiteer fears of immigration come down to ethnic differences, and that we aren't clever enough to make up our minds on our own, we must listen to dear leaders Boris and Gove to 'con' us into our (racist) opinions. Finally topped off with an example of how two groups of people who were ethnically the same but differed by religion had issues with one another dating back through centuries of complicated history involving a lot more than immigration yet apparently, is a 'shinning example' of this.

snytaxx

London 12 Jun 16 3.38pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I pity you too...so young but so self all knowing...but perhaps knowing little from some points of view...I wasn't actually comparing EU migration to the Troubles...I was using the example of people being conned by being encouraged to blame their ills on the "other" of a different ethnicity...of which N Ireland's history 1910 (before it was established I know) -1969 was such a shining example...

Hopefully,at some point you might even be able to "debate this topic properly"

Wow, brilliant, i've never said nor implied that I 'know everything' but don't let that stop you from using it as a patronising mark against me.

Then you imply that Brexiteer fears of immigration come down to ethnic differences, and that we aren't clever enough to make up our minds on our own, we must listen to dear leaders Boris and Gove to 'con' us into our (racist) opinions.

Finally topped off with an example of how two groups of people who were ethnically the same but differed by religion had issues with one another dating back through centuries of complicated history involving a lot more than immigration yet apparently, is a 'shinning example' of this.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 16 3.58pm
Originally posted by snytaxx Wow, brilliant, i've never said nor implied that I 'know everything' but don't let that stop you from using it as a patronising mark against me. Then you imply that Brexiteer fears of immigration come down to ethnic differences, and that we aren't clever enough to make up our minds on our own, we must listen to dear leaders Boris and Gove to 'con' us into our (racist) opinions. Finally topped off with an example of how two groups of people who were ethnically the same but differed by religion had issues with one another dating back through centuries of complicated history involving a lot more than immigration yet apparently, is a 'shinning example' of this. Thought Jack Nicholson was great in the Shinning. I've noticed that a lot of the undecideds I've spoken to or read are the ones who have read most widely on both sides of the argument. It's disgraceful that it's really difficult to sift what is bulls*** and what is fact during the whole referendum. The radio 4 programme 'more or less' will attempt to get to the truth behind claims from both sides this week. [Link] One hopes that it will provide a bit more clarity to help me make a sound judgement. Also, I asked the other day whether brexiters had any concerns about leaving, conversely any remainers had any concerns about staying. No responses to that so far. This is a shame because anyone should realise that obviously there are pros and cons to both sides of the argument. Edited by nickgusset (12 Jun 2016 3.59pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 16 3.58pm

Originally posted by snytaxx

Wow, brilliant, i've never said nor implied that I 'know everything' but don't let that stop you from using it as a patronising mark against me.

Thought Jack Nicholson was great in the Shinning.

I've noticed that a lot of the undecideds I've spoken to or read are the ones who have read most widely on both sides of the argument.
It's disgraceful that it's really difficult to sift what is bulls*** and what is fact during the whole referendum.
The radio 4 programme 'more or less' will attempt to get to the truth behind claims from both sides this week. [Link]

One hopes that it will provide a bit more clarity to help me make a sound judgement.

Also, I asked the other day whether brexiters had any concerns about leaving, conversely any remainers had any concerns about staying. No responses to that so far. This is a shame because anyone should realise that obviously there are pros and cons to both sides of the argument.

Edited by nickgusset (12 Jun 2016 3.59pm)

Rubin 12 Jun 16 4.01pm
Originally posted by snytaxx Wow, brilliant, i've never said nor implied that I 'know everything' but don't let that stop you from using it as a patronising mark against me. Then you imply that Brexiteer fears of immigration come down to ethnic differences, and that we aren't clever enough to make up our minds on our own, we must listen to dear leaders Boris and Gove to 'con' us into our (racist) opinions. Finally topped off with an example of how two groups of people who were ethnically the same but differed by religion had issues with one another dating back through centuries of complicated history involving a lot more than immigration yet apparently, is a 'shinning example' of this. We've reverted back to the original 'argument' used against those who question the EU/express concerns about immigration levels, in branding them right wing or racist. This is the level they're now having to drop to as it becomes increasingly clear to free thinkers and those willing to have their minds changed that leave is the right thing to choose. All reasonable arguments are either meet with the above, or ignored all together if it's regarding something other than immigration. Edited by Rubin (12 Jun 2016 4.15pm)

Rubin

12 Jun 16 4.01pm

Originally posted by snytaxx

Wow, brilliant, i've never said nor implied that I 'know everything' but don't let that stop you from using it as a patronising mark against me.

We've reverted back to the original 'argument' used against those who question the EU/express concerns about immigration levels, in branding them right wing or racist.

This is the level they're now having to drop to as it becomes increasingly clear to free thinkers and those willing to have their minds changed that leave is the right thing to choose. All reasonable arguments are either meet with the above, or ignored all together if it's regarding something other than immigration.

Edited by Rubin (12 Jun 2016 4.15pm)

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Jun 16 4.28pm
I'm still waiting for Leave to tell us how we WILL be better off economically, and how the last 70 years of peace in Europe WILL be continued and strengthened and not undermined in the mid to long distant future upon a Brexit. If they could convince on those two points it wouldn't be 50/50 but a landslide in their favour. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Jun 16 4.28pm

I'm still waiting for Leave to tell us how we WILL be better off economically, and how the last 70 years of peace in Europe WILL be continued and strengthened and not undermined in the mid to long distant future upon a Brexit.

If they could convince on those two points it wouldn't be 50/50 but a landslide in their favour.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

chris123 hove actually 12 Jun 16 4.33pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I'm still waiting for Leave to tell us how we WILL be better off economically, and how the last 70 years of peace in Europe WILL be continued and strengthened and not undermined in the mid to long distant future upon a Brexit. If they could convince on those two points it wouldn't be 50/50 but a landslide in their favour. We are massive net contributors to the EU coffers which is why most of the union don't want us to leave. And NATO is the rock bed of peace in Europe and that won't change whether we're in or out.

chris123

hove actually 12 Jun 16 4.33pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

If they could convince on those two points it wouldn't be 50/50 but a landslide in their favour.

We are massive net contributors to the EU coffers which is why most of the union don't want us to leave. And NATO is the rock bed of peace in Europe and that won't change whether we're in or out.

corkery Cork City 12 Jun 16 4.36pm
The EU is only around since the 90s, not 70 years. People want a common market and nothing else. We'll never die

corkery

Cork City 12 Jun 16 4.36pm

The EU is only around since the 90s, not 70 years. People want a common market and nothing else.

We'll never die

Rubin 12 Jun 16 4.46pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I'm still waiting for Leave to tell us how we WILL be better off economically, and how the last 70 years of peace in Europe WILL be continued and strengthened and not undermined in the mid to long distant future upon a Brexit. If they could convince on those two points it wouldn't be 50/50 but a landslide in their favour. [Link] Also see James Dyson's comments: [Link] There'll be plenty more out there.

Rubin

12 Jun 16 4.46pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

If they could convince on those two points it wouldn't be 50/50 but a landslide in their favour.

[Link]

Also see James Dyson's comments:

[Link]

There'll be plenty more out there.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Jun 16 5.26pm
Originally posted by Rubin [Link] Also see James Dyson's comments: [Link] There'll be plenty more out there. Dyson who shipped out manufacturing of his products to Malaysia in 2002 all in the name of £££££ the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 12 Jun 16 5.26pm

Originally posted by Rubin

[Link]

Also see James Dyson's comments:

[Link]

There'll be plenty more out there.

Dyson who shipped out manufacturing of his products to Malaysia in 2002 all in the name of £££££

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Elpis In a pub 12 Jun 16 5.28pm
Originally posted by corkery The EU is only around since the 90s, not 70 years. People want a common market and nothing else. Agreed , if the others want a united states of Europe (which many others don't) let them get on with it after we have left . OUT OUT OUT

Elpis

In a pub 12 Jun 16 5.28pm

Originally posted by corkery

The EU is only around since the 90s, not 70 years. People want a common market and nothing else.

Agreed , if the others want a united states of Europe (which many others don't) let them get on with it after we have left .

OUT OUT OUT

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Jun 16 5.45pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Dyson who shipped out manufacturing of his products to Malaysia in 2002 all in the name of £££££ That'll be the same James Dyson who wanted us to take up the Euro as our currency. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Jun 16 5.45pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Dyson who shipped out manufacturing of his products to Malaysia in 2002 all in the name of £££££

That'll be the same James Dyson who wanted us to take up the Euro as our currency.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 16 5.52pm
Originally posted by legaleagle We risk sleepwalking to disaster... Brexit isn't a cure-all for all ailments: Feel your life is missing something or not as good as it used to be? Oh,I know,must be because of those EU migrants...Tosh of the highest order.Bit like the ordinary Protestants and Catholics historically being conned into blaming each other in N Ireland for life's ills. Or maybe its because if we Brexit we can spend £300m a year more on the NHS?.....Yeah,right,don't you just know Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are itching to spend loadsa money on public services.. Or maybe its because we miss having an Empire...Oh dear,the world moved on 50 years ago and we still haven't woken up to it... The EU has many many faults but a looming spectre of possible Brexit really is like heading the wrong way down a one way street at 90mph...scary indeed... Thought this article yesterday was a decent read. [Link] ps. Anyone else ashamed by the cnuts showing off their "patriotism" in Marseilles (shame on those with the Palace flag) and illustrating precisely why the EU was such a good thing in countering dodgy nationalistic tendencies in Europe..do you think our "ambassadors" in Marseilles are likely to be instinctive "remainers" or Brexiters? It's got nothing to do with any of that. It's about self determination primarily. Trotting out these tired old cliches is all the Remains have left. And making a connection to football hooliganism is really laughable. I should remind everyone that the worst football hooliganism in Britain was predominantly under a Labour government in the 70's. Not that that is any more relevant than banging on about a few nobbies kicking off at the Euros.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 16 5.52pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

We risk sleepwalking to disaster...

Brexit isn't a cure-all for all ailments:

Or maybe its because if we Brexit we can spend £300m a year more on the NHS?.....Yeah,right,don't you just know Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are itching to spend loadsa money on public services..

Or maybe its because we miss having an Empire...Oh dear,the world moved on 50 years ago and we still haven't woken up to it...

The EU has many many faults but a looming spectre of possible Brexit really is like heading the wrong way down a one way street at 90mph...scary indeed...

Thought this article yesterday was a decent read.

[Link]

It's got nothing to do with any of that.

It's about self determination primarily.

Trotting out these tired old cliches is all the Remains have left.

And making a connection to football hooliganism is really laughable.

I should remind everyone that the worst football hooliganism in Britain was predominantly under a Labour government in the 70's. Not that that is any more relevant than banging on about a few nobbies kicking off at the Euros.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jun 16 5.55pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Dyson who shipped out manufacturing of his products to Malaysia in 2002 all in the name of £££££ No mainly because business can operate without EU Directives & Union interference. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jun 16 5.55pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Dyson who shipped out manufacturing of his products to Malaysia in 2002 all in the name of £££££

No mainly because business can operate without EU Directives & Union interference.

Pro USA & Israel

DivingIsNotGood se25 12 Jun 16 5.55pm
why would anyone choose to stay knowing this [Link] ? VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 12 Jun 16 5.55pm

why would anyone choose to stay knowing this [Link] ?

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Jun 16 6.00pm
Originally posted by chris123 We are massive net contributors to the EU coffers which is why most of the union don't want us to leave. And NATO is the rock bed of peace in Europe and that won't change whether we're in or out. How will NATO stop potential future euro conflicts over fishing rights, border disputes, ideologies, old score-settling, etc, if we Brexit and undermine the EU, and probably help it on its way to de-commissioning further down the line? Won't we just all go back to being countries competing and sometimes clashing because our bonded economic interests have separated? Countries tend to fight less when they are locked-in and have strong common financial interests at stake. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Jun 16 6.00pm

Originally posted by chris123

We are massive net contributors to the EU coffers which is why most of the union don't want us to leave. And NATO is the rock bed of peace in Europe and that won't change whether we're in or out.

How will NATO stop potential future euro conflicts over fishing rights, border disputes, ideologies, old score-settling, etc, if we Brexit and undermine the EU, and probably help it on its way to de-commissioning further down the line? Won't we just all go back to being countries competing and sometimes clashing because our bonded economic interests have separated?

Countries tend to fight less when they are locked-in and have strong common financial interests at stake.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Kermit8 Hevon 12 Jun 16 6.09pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood why would anyone choose to stay knowing this [Link] ? What's the problem with 1m higher level Turkish being able to visit Britain without a visa? They won't all be booking the same flight or knocking at your door the following morning. They'll be spending their dosh here too. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 12 Jun 16 6.09pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

why would anyone choose to stay knowing this [Link] ?

What's the problem with 1m higher level Turkish being able to visit Britain without a visa? They won't all be booking the same flight or knocking at your door the following morning. They'll be spending their dosh here too.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Rubin 12 Jun 16 6.09pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 That'll be the same James Dyson who wanted us to take up the Euro as our currency. As did all the economic institutions/economists who are saying that we should stay in the EU.

Rubin

12 Jun 16 6.09pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

That'll be the same James Dyson who wanted us to take up the Euro as our currency.

As did all the economic institutions/economists who are saying that we should stay in the EU.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Jun 16 6.17pm
I haven't heard a single cogent argument from the Remain camp, and no argument of any kind that isn't rooted in scaremongering or the interests of global corporations. I refuse to accept that the fifth largest economy in the world would be left isolated, trade-wise. Brexit, however, offers self-determination, control of our own borders and the power to eject those who govern. It lets us shape our own destiny rather than trust in an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels. The EU is nothing but a wannabe superstate largely dominated by the Germans which will spread its tentacles further and wider if we vote to stay in. Brexit would be the first step towards bringing the whole rotten deck of cards crashing down. The flight from federalism would spread like wildfire throughout Europe. Brexit is not without certain risks, sure, but I have every confidence that Britain can not only survive but thrive outside the pernicious institution that is the EU. Dont believe the lies. Out. Edited by Cucking Funt (12 Jun 2016 6.20pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 12 Jun 16 6.17pm

I haven't heard a single cogent argument from the Remain camp, and no argument of any kind that isn't rooted in scaremongering or the interests of global corporations. I refuse to accept that the fifth largest economy in the world would be left isolated, trade-wise.

Brexit, however, offers self-determination, control of our own borders and the power to eject those who govern. It lets us shape our own destiny rather than trust in an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy in Brussels.

The EU is nothing but a wannabe superstate largely dominated by the Germans which will spread its tentacles further and wider if we vote to stay in. Brexit would be the first step towards bringing the whole rotten deck of cards crashing down. The flight from federalism would spread like wildfire throughout Europe.

Brexit is not without certain risks, sure, but I have every confidence that Britain can not only survive but thrive outside the pernicious institution that is the EU.

Dont believe the lies. Out.

Edited by Cucking Funt (12 Jun 2016 6.20pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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