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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Jun 16 6.28pm

Yep. What has the EU ever done for us?

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Big chest and massive boobs

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 12 Jun 16 6.47pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yep. What has the EU ever done for us?

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So we'd stop trading with the EU? No.
It's brought peace? Er, that'd be NATO, guv
Human Rights? That would have happened anyway, as it has in practically every Western nation, where it hasn't been abused to prevent deportation of undesirables.
The beaches? Again, would have happened anyway as we have become more ecologically aware
Freedom of movement? We're not in the Schengen area - you still need a passport

3/10. Must try harder. It's more scaremongering bollocks.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

legaleagle Flag 12 Jun 16 6.47pm

Ok. I get it,if something doesn't accords with your particular narrow world view,its rubbish which has nothing to do with why many (not all) favour Brexit (and why that's a bad idea).

And my connection was to silly nationalisms and its present day manifestations rather than to football specifically.

What's laughable to me are those who trot out cliches repeatedly but are so unaware of it they lay into anyone else by suggesting they are doing that, rather than actually dealing with the underlying points...ho hum.

Actually arguably the worst "football hooliganism" I ever experienced was at the time of the Tory Heath government 1970-74.But for anyone to link it with any party government is simply inane,no?...


Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's got nothing to do with any of that.

It's about self determination primarily.

Trotting out these tired old cliches is all the Remains have left.

And making a connection to football hooliganism is really laughable.

I should remind everyone that the worst football hooliganism in Britain was predominantly under a Labour government in the 70's. Not that that is any more relevant than banging on about a few nobbies kicking off at the Euros.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Jun 16 6.50pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

How will NATO stop potential future euro conflicts over fishing rights, border disputes, ideologies, old score-settling, etc, if we Brexit and undermine the EU, and probably help it on its way to de-commissioning further down the line? Won't we just all go back to being countries competing and sometimes clashing because our bonded economic interests have separated?

Countries tend to fight less when they are locked-in and have strong common financial interests at stake.

Your question to which I answered referred to 70 years of peace in Europe. My answer is Nato and if you like more specifically article 5.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Jun 16 7.00pm

Originally posted by chris123

Your question to which I answered referred to 70 years of peace in Europe. My answer is Nato and if you like more specifically article 5.

Strange then that Nato members Greece and Turkey have been involved in various clashes against each other since joining and we had a few gunboat problems with fellow Nato member Iceland back in the 70's. Land issues the former and fishing rights the latter.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 12 Jun 16 7.02pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

What's the problem with 1m higher level Turkish being able to visit Britain without a visa? They won't all be booking the same flight or knocking at your door the following morning. They'll be spending their dosh here too.

You dont get it! Stepping stones, that's how it works!

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

legaleagle Flag 12 Jun 16 7.04pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

So we'd stop trading with the EU? No.
It's brought peace? Er, that'd be NATO, guv
Human Rights? That would have happened anyway, as it has in practically every Western nation, where it hasn't been abused to prevent deportation of undesirables.

3/10. Must try harder. It's more scaremongering bollocks.

Resits for you, I fear Cucking.

Would our trading with Europe likely be on somewhat less advantageous terms if we wouldn't sign up for freedom of movement? Sure thing.

Peace within Europe. NATO? No,guv,it was places somewhat closer to home rather than than fighting the "red peril" (NATO) that stopped France and Germany etc kicking off at each other every generation,and the magnet of EU membership which helped stopped/stops the Balkan crazies in former Yugoslavia from kicking off again.

Human Rights? You ever been to certain eastern European and Balkan countries and seen precisely how it was that the carrot of EU membership helped these improve in a very meaningful way?

Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2016 7.05pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jun 16 7.05pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Ok. I get it,if something doesn't accords with your particular narrow world view,its rubbish which has nothing to do with why many (not all) favour Brexit (and why that's a bad idea).

And my connection was to silly nationalisms and its present day manifestations rather than to football specifically.

What's laughable to me are those who trot out cliches repeatedly but are so unaware of it they lay into anyone else by suggesting they are doing that, rather than actually dealing with the underlying points...ho hum.

Actually arguably the worst "football hooliganism" I ever experienced was at the time of the Tory Heath government 1970-74.But for anyone to link it with any party government is simply inane,no?...



I think the narrow view is yours old chap.

The one that says there is no other way forward other than to stay in the EU.

And to link football hooligans with politics is insane no?

Your arguments work just as well in reverse.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Jun 16 7.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Strange then that Nato members Greece and Turkey have been involved in various clashes against each other since joining and we had a few gunboat problems with fellow Nato member Iceland back in the 70's. Land issues the former and fishing rights the latter.

Well nobody invoked article 5.

 

legaleagle Flag 12 Jun 16 7.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


I think the narrow view is yours old chap.

The one that says there is no other way forward other than to stay in the EU.

And to link football hooligans with politics is insane no?

Your arguments work just as well in reverse.

I appreciate you think my view is narrow my old china

Linking football hooliganism to party politics (as you just did) is indeed insane...linking it on an international level to manifestations of nationalism,is perhaps somewhat more sane.

Its not so much about the best way forward for me.Rather,that Brexit is so manifestly an actual step backwards...


Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2016 7.09pm)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Jun 16 7.09pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

So we'd stop trading with the EU? No.
It's brought peace? Er, that'd be NATO, guv
Human Rights? That would have happened anyway, as it has in practically every Western nation, where it hasn't been abused to prevent deportation of undesirables.
The beaches? Again, would have happened anyway as we have become more ecologically aware
Freedom of movement? We're not in the Schengen area - you still need a passport

3/10. Must try harder. It's more scaremongering bollocks.

"would have happened anyway" is a tad lazy Funty as is the rest of your post. Not like you at all.

3/10 to you too.

 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 12 Jun 16 7.15pm

If you look at The Study Portal there are lists of all the EU universities that have free degree courses for non-EU students. The EU even pays for distance learning degree courses for non-EU students who are still living in non-EU countries. Most courses are taught in a European language and there are language courses available to prepare non-EU students for the degree courses. Surely this raises expectations of being able to immigrate into the EU. Yet at the same time the EU is spending over 6 billion Euros try to reduce immigration from Africa and the Middle East. In the meantime white working class kids in the UK are more likely to be abducted by aliens than get into university.

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jun 16 7.28pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I appreciate you think my view is narrow my old china

Linking football hooliganism to party politics (as you just did) is indeed insane...linking it on an international level to manifestations of nationalism,is perhaps somewhat more sane.

Its not so much about the best way forward for me.Rather,that Brexit is so manifestly an actual step backwards...


Edited by legaleagle (12 Jun 2016 7.09pm)

No and no.

Football hooliganism is a social problem. The fact that a few football yobbos support right wing organisations is hardly surprising and from what I have observed the loony lefty are just as obnoxious.

The road forward is not always linear. Some roads are a cul de sac and the EU looks like the end of the road for our Independence to me.

 

davenotamonkey Flag 12 Jun 16 7.36pm

Originally posted by Rubin

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Also see James Dyson's comments:

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There'll be plenty more out there.

See also:

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It's really not our fault if you just can't be bothered to look for yourself, nor if you do not wish to engage with the material.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Jun 16 7.52pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

See also:

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It's really not our fault if you just can't be bothered to look for yourself, nor if you do not wish to engage with the material.

Thanks for that. I stopped reading after the fourth of fifth paragraph from that Lilico chap. Brexit and his "Could be..." "likely.." "Ifs.." and "were to..." were just the concrete assurances the undecided must be looking for.

You'll have them signed up for Leave in no time.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 16 8.20pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

See also:

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It's really not our fault if you just can't be bothered to look for yourself, nor if you do not wish to engage with the material.

From the first link “OK, but what about non-tariff barriers?”, I hear you cry.

I didn't cry this so the bloke is obviously wrong


It's all conjecture and what ifs. Had the articles had citations and evidence, not just opinion, it would have more credence.
I'd have just as much relevant info from Yoffi, the bloke who did fingerbobs imho.

EDIT: Just checked out the author Andrew Lilico, who is somewhat discredited here. [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (12 Jun 2016 8.36pm)

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 12 Jun 16 8.33pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

No mainly because business can operate without EU Directives & Union interference.

Not the reason given when he moved. Or when he moved his business to Malta.

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (12 Jun 2016 8.35pm)

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

premier fan Flag BR4 12 Jun 16 9.01pm

I have to say after watching numerous debates and interviews I have been growing increasingly impressed with Mr Farage and his rationale for voting out. I'm not so keen on his UKIP party but if the vote out win I could see him switching to the Conservative party and I would be very happy.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 16 11.37pm

Just seen a vote leave ad on this site, I hope for balance there will be a remain one too

 

davenotamonkey Flag 12 Jun 16 11.59pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Thanks for that. I stopped reading after the fourth of fifth paragraph from that Lilico chap. Brexit and his "Could be..." "likely.." "Ifs.." and "were to..." were just the concrete assurances the undecided must be looking for.

You'll have them signed up for Leave in no time.

Errrr. Newflash, you utter simpleton. It is an economic PROJECTION. Perhaps that has too many syllables for you. Let me explain as if you were a child:

He has made some guesses about what might happen in the future.

There are other boys and girls that also did this. They are called the Treasury (no, Kermit, nothing to do with treasure, sorry). They also made guesses about what might happen in the future.

Why do they use all these "ifs" and "coulds", Kermit asks? Because they don't have a crystal fkucking ball.

Idiot.

You'll be disregarding the treasury report as well. It contains plenty of "ifs", "likely" and "coulds".

 

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