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Sir James Hird Mount Martha 19 Aug 18 4.21am
I dunno, I look at the world I live in and I dont like much of what I see. I was born in 1942 in the UK grew up there and migrated to OZ in 1980 with my wife and three boys and I have retired and look back and say I have done OK. I just find the US self centered and too inward looking, but then so is Europe. By comparison, there is an upheaval everywhere else in the world, which troubles me. The unstoppable migration of people from Africa particularly ,where kids are dying from hunger and disease every second of the day, contrasting with fat,overweight people in first world countries entering disgusting eating competitions. This is not right, so forget analysing these global fat cat pollies. The silent majority has spoken!

Sir James Hird

Mount Martha 19 Aug 18 4.21am

I dunno, I look at the world I live in and I dont like much of what I see.
I was born in 1942 in the UK grew up there and migrated to OZ in 1980 with my wife and three boys and I have retired and look back and say I have done OK.

I just find the US self centered and too inward looking, but then so is Europe.

By comparison, there is an upheaval everywhere else in the world, which troubles me.

The unstoppable migration of people from Africa particularly ,where kids are dying from hunger and disease every second of the day, contrasting with fat,overweight people in first world countries entering disgusting eating competitions.

This is not right, so forget analysing these global fat cat pollies.
The silent majority has spoken!

.TUX. 19 Aug 18 9.21am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Current US GDP at well over 4 percent. Obama never had it over...what was it 2.3? Historic low black unemployment....polls for Trump at over 42 percent approval. All the people who talked about the economy crashing and burning from the supposed moron Trump taking over have perhaps proved that they themselves don't know what they are talking about. You can find a ton of them early on in this thread.....they all ran away and don't post anymore. When they were slagging off Trump and praising Obama and wanting Clinton....in reality they were keeping people out of jobs and America weaker. Trump may not be likeable perhaps but he puts his country first and America is currently blooming relative to the previous years. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2018 6.35pm) Irrelevant in terms of real growth when the vast majority of 'funds' used to inflate the GDP figure is borrowed, ie our old friend debt. So no, America is far from ''blooming'' tbf. They are just as screwed as the rest of us but if Trump does succeed in screwing The Fed then every single American should applaud him. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

19 Aug 18 9.21am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Current US GDP at well over 4 percent.

Obama never had it over...what was it 2.3?

Historic low black unemployment....polls for Trump at over 42 percent approval.

All the people who talked about the economy crashing and burning from the supposed moron Trump taking over have perhaps proved that they themselves don't know what they are talking about. You can find a ton of them early on in this thread.....they all ran away and don't post anymore.

When they were slagging off Trump and praising Obama and wanting Clinton....in reality they were keeping people out of jobs and America weaker.

Trump may not be likeable perhaps but he puts his country first and America is currently blooming relative to the previous years.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2018 6.35pm)

Irrelevant in terms of real growth when the vast majority of 'funds' used to inflate the GDP figure is borrowed, ie our old friend debt. So no, America is far from ''blooming'' tbf. They are just as screwed as the rest of us but if Trump does succeed in screwing The Fed then every single American should applaud him.

Buy Litecoin.

Stirlingsays 19 Aug 18 10.05am
Originally posted by .TUX. Irrelevant in terms of real growth when the vast majority of 'funds' used to inflate the GDP figure is borrowed, ie our old friend debt. So no, America is far from ''blooming'' tbf. They are just as screwed as the rest of us but if Trump does succeed in screwing The Fed then every single American should applaud him. I said relative to the previous years. There is what the left predicted and there is what has happened. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2018 10.06am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

19 Aug 18 10.05am

Originally posted by .TUX.

I said relative to the previous years.

There is what the left predicted and there is what has happened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2018 10.06am)

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.TUX. 19 Aug 18 3.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I said relative to the previous years. There is what the left predicted and there is what has happened. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2018 10.06am) The debt burden has accelerated under Trump so in reality nothing has really changed. Agree with your second point, but an audience gorging on MSM tripe would know no different (not dissimilar to Brexit). Bless 'em. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

19 Aug 18 3.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I said relative to the previous years.

There is what the left predicted and there is what has happened.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2018 10.06am)

The debt burden has accelerated under Trump so in reality nothing has really changed.
Agree with your second point, but an audience gorging on MSM tripe would know no different (not dissimilar to Brexit).
Bless 'em.

Buy Litecoin.

Stuk Top half 19 Aug 18 3.54pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle If the media reported fairly on Trump and not make personal attacks on him and also members of his administration, then maybe they wouldn't get flack. They constantly call him mentally unstable and unhinged which is unprofessional at best and personal abuse at worst. In April’s White House Correspondents Dinner, comedienne Michelle Wolf took personal attacks at press secretary Sarah Hukerbee Sanders, taking the piss out of her appearance and Southern roots. Washington Post columnist and MSNBC contributor Jennifer Rubin said Sanders should be harassed publicly as a 'life sentence.' MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace suggested that Sanders should be choked. It goes on... The rhetoric against her ramped up by the media means she is the first ever US press secretary to have Secret Service protection. The media promotes the narrative from the Democrats that Republican politicians should be hounded in restauramts, gas stations and other public places. There's nothing mentioned in the BBC article about CNN's false Russia stories and other real fake news and nothing about the personal attacks by journalists. Hardly balanced reporting. CNN, the channel that had p*** star Stormy Daniels on for weeks on end, is now so bad that even Nickelodeon gets higher viewing figures. In the run-up to the election, Hillary Clinton got the support of more than 240 editorial boards, while Donald Trump got 19. All the 300 outlets did was make a political stunt and actually proved Trump right. Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Aug 2018 5.40pm) Here you go, Penge. [Link] Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 19 Aug 18 3.54pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

If the media reported fairly on Trump and not make personal attacks on him and also members of his administration, then maybe they wouldn't get flack.

They constantly call him mentally unstable and unhinged which is unprofessional at best and personal abuse at worst.

In April’s White House Correspondents Dinner, comedienne Michelle Wolf took personal attacks at press secretary Sarah Hukerbee Sanders, taking the piss out of her appearance and Southern roots.

Washington Post columnist and MSNBC contributor Jennifer Rubin said Sanders should be harassed publicly as a 'life sentence.'

MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace suggested that Sanders should be choked. It goes on...

The rhetoric against her ramped up by the media means she is the first ever US press secretary to have Secret Service protection.

The media promotes the narrative from the Democrats that Republican politicians should be hounded in restauramts, gas stations and other public places.

There's nothing mentioned in the BBC article about CNN's false Russia stories and other real fake news and nothing about the personal attacks by journalists. Hardly balanced reporting.

CNN, the channel that had p*** star Stormy Daniels on for weeks on end, is now so bad that even Nickelodeon gets higher viewing figures.

In the run-up to the election, Hillary Clinton got the support of more than 240 editorial boards, while Donald Trump got 19.

All the 300 outlets did was make a political stunt and actually proved Trump right.

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Aug 2018 5.40pm)

Here you go, Penge.

[Link]

Optimistic as ever

Stirlingsays 19 Aug 18 4.37pm
Originally posted by .TUX. The debt burden has accelerated under Trump so in reality nothing has really changed. Agree with your second point, but an audience gorging on MSM tripe would know no different (not dissimilar to Brexit). Bless 'em. The US infrastructure does require updating and maintenance. Trump simply is doing what has been delayed for so many years. The US should be tackling costs like healthcare but we all know that they won't be bringing those costs down due to idealogy....and lobbying. However, when you look at the US birth demographics you see that within 15 years no Republican candidate will have any chance of being elected.....no matter how many votes they get with a 'white' block. Then the democrats will change both healthcare and guns. Man, is it going to be spicy over there then.....sh1t is going to kick off. Am I wrong to say I only hope I'm around to see it?.....not that I want anyone to get hurt.....but I know that the country is going to be so discordant that we will be living in very different times. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2018 4.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

19 Aug 18 4.37pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

The US infrastructure does require updating and maintenance. Trump simply is doing what has been delayed for so many years.

The US should be tackling costs like healthcare but we all know that they won't be bringing those costs down due to idealogy....and lobbying.

However, when you look at the US birth demographics you see that within 15 years no Republican candidate will have any chance of being elected.....no matter how many votes they get with a 'white' block.

Then the democrats will change both healthcare and guns.

Man, is it going to be spicy over there then.....sh1t is going to kick off.

Am I wrong to say I only hope I'm around to see it?.....not that I want anyone to get hurt.....but I know that the country is going to be so discordant that we will be living in very different times.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2018 4.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 19 Aug 18 11.00pm
Michelle Goldberg of The New York Times went on MSNBC and suggested Trump "would like to round people up and murder them". And you wonder why Trump fights back hard at this bulls*** in the media? [Tweet Link]

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 19 Aug 18 11.00pm

Michelle Goldberg of The New York Times went on MSNBC and suggested Trump "would like to round people up and murder them". And you wonder why Trump fights back hard at this bulls*** in the media?

[Tweet Link]

DanH SW2 22 Aug 18 7.25am
The net is closing in.

DanH

SW2 22 Aug 18 7.25am

The net is closing in.

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 18 8.01am
Originally posted by DanH The net is closing in. Dream on. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 18 8.01am

Originally posted by DanH

The net is closing in.

Dream on.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 22 Aug 18 11.48am
The Robert Mueller investigation was only to look for Russian collusion in the election... and has got nothing. Instead, his team has started scouring into other improprieties to people who are close to Trump. Paul Manafort's charges was from a time period when he wasn't even working for him. It's the Deep State still trying to take down POTUS.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 22 Aug 18 11.48am

The Robert Mueller investigation was only to look for Russian collusion in the election... and has got nothing. Instead, his team has started scouring into other improprieties to people who are close to Trump. Paul Manafort's charges was from a time period when he wasn't even working for him. It's the Deep State still trying to take down POTUS.

NickinOX Sailing country. 22 Aug 18 2.04pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The Robert Mueller investigation was only to look for Russian collusion in the election... and has got nothing. Instead, his team has started scouring into other improprieties to people who are close to Trump. Paul Manafort's charges was from a time period when he wasn't even working for him. It's the Deep State still trying to take down POTUS. No, Penge, it wasn’t. Here is the charge for the Special Counsel: he is to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. 600.4( a ). (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.” “28 C.F.R. 600.4( a ). Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.” So far, 7 individuals have been successfully prosecuted or pled guilty for a variety of charges. Papadopoulos pled guilty to lying after hiding his contacts with Russian government agents. Flynn pled guilty to lying after being caught lying about meeting with the Russian ambassador. Manafort was convicted of 8 counts of fraud and filing false tax returns, in which he had hidden 60m he was paid by the Russian backed dictator of the Ukraine. His next trial looks like it will go far deeper into his Russian connections, especially as it has now come out how close he was to a number of senior Kremlin officials. Gates was pulled up similarly to Manafort, but made a deal which reduced the charges. Twenty odd Russians have been indicted and one of the key guys, Kilimnik, is close to Manafort. Add in President Trump’s own comments about wanting the Russians to provide Hilary’s emails, and he is part of a conspiracy. Look up what conspiracy means in this context: if someone requests an illegal act, and another person then commits said act and provides the first person with the benefit, even if the original intent was benign, it does not matter. Oh, and President Trump and his lawyers confirmed that the meeting with Russian government agents was to get dirt on Hilary Clinton. As for the argument that the investigation has not shown a direct link to Trump, I would argue it has. But whether I am right or not is irrelevant as he will almost certainly not be indicted whilst he is in office: thus making the argument that no evidence has been presented against him and no charges filed, moot. That is, at least until the report is complete. It is likely that will all remain out of sight. Edited by NickinOX (22 Aug 2018 2.05pm) Edited by NickinOX (22 Aug 2018 2.05pm) If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

NickinOX

Sailing country. 22 Aug 18 2.04pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

No, Penge, it wasn’t. Here is the charge for the Special Counsel: he is to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. 600.4( a ).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.”

“28 C.F.R. 600.4( a ). Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.”

So far, 7 individuals have been successfully prosecuted or pled guilty for a variety of charges.

Papadopoulos pled guilty to lying after hiding his contacts with Russian government agents.

Flynn pled guilty to lying after being caught lying about meeting with the Russian ambassador.

Manafort was convicted of 8 counts of fraud and filing false tax returns, in which he had hidden 60m he was paid by the Russian backed dictator of the Ukraine. His next trial looks like it will go far deeper into his Russian connections, especially as it has now come out how close he was to a number of senior Kremlin officials.

Gates was pulled up similarly to Manafort, but made a deal which reduced the charges.

Twenty odd Russians have been indicted and one of the key guys, Kilimnik, is close to Manafort.

Add in President Trump’s own comments about wanting the Russians to provide Hilary’s emails, and he is part of a conspiracy. Look up what conspiracy means in this context: if someone requests an illegal act, and another person then commits said act and provides the first person with the benefit, even if the original intent was benign, it does not matter.

Oh, and President Trump and his lawyers confirmed that the meeting with Russian government agents was to get dirt on Hilary Clinton.

As for the argument that the investigation has not shown a direct link to Trump, I would argue it has. But whether I am right or not is irrelevant as he will almost certainly not be indicted whilst he is in office: thus making the argument that no evidence has been presented against him and no charges filed, moot. That is, at least until the report is complete. It is likely that will all remain out of sight.

Edited by NickinOX (22 Aug 2018 2.05pm)

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 22 Aug 18 4.31pm
When Trump talked about 'draining the swamp', did he mean by employing a campaign chairman, a deputy campaign manager, a national security adviser, a personal lawyer and a foreign policy aide all of whom would later admit to and/or be convicted of crimes, leaving investigators a trail of breadcrumbs to follow towards evidence of Russian collusion in the election, implicating dozens more high-level individuals and ultimately leading to his own impeachment? Because, if so, kudos. That is the sort of commitment to fulfilling your campaign promises that is all too rare these days. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

the despotic banana

Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 22 Aug 18 4.31pm

When Trump talked about 'draining the swamp', did he mean by employing a campaign chairman, a deputy campaign manager, a national security adviser, a personal lawyer and a foreign policy aide all of whom would later admit to and/or be convicted of crimes, leaving investigators a trail of breadcrumbs to follow towards evidence of Russian collusion in the election, implicating dozens more high-level individuals and ultimately leading to his own impeachment?

Because, if so, kudos. That is the sort of commitment to fulfilling your campaign promises that is all too rare these days.

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Aug 18 4.35pm
Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook?

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Aug 18 4.35pm

Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook?

NickinOX Sailing country. 22 Aug 18 4.47pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook? It depends upon with whom you discuss the topic. I had a recent office mate who was a true believer, who had an explanation for everything. Much as I have other friends did the same for Hilary, or Corbyn. That being said most people now seem to view him as such, which has taken a while given his long history of connections to the Russian and NY mobs, and his own comments about connections to Russian money. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

NickinOX

Sailing country. 22 Aug 18 4.47pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook?

It depends upon with whom you discuss the topic. I had a recent office mate who was a true believer, who had an explanation for everything. Much as I have other friends did the same for Hilary, or Corbyn.

That being said most people now seem to view him as such, which has taken a while given his long history of connections to the Russian and NY mobs, and his own comments about connections to Russian money.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

.TUX. 22 Aug 18 7.54pm
Originally posted by DanH The net is closing in. But it has a hole in the bottom. Nothing to see here (of any real relevance). Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

22 Aug 18 7.54pm

Originally posted by DanH

The net is closing in.

But it has a hole in the bottom.
Nothing to see here (of any real relevance).

Buy Litecoin.

.TUX. 22 Aug 18 7.56pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The Robert Mueller investigation was only to look for Russian collusion in the election... and has got nothing. Instead, his team has started scouring into other improprieties to people who are close to Trump. Paul Manafort's charges was from a time period when he wasn't even working for him. It's the Deep State still trying to take down POTUS. This. They've done it before and are trying to do it again. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

22 Aug 18 7.56pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

This.
They've done it before and are trying to do it again.

Buy Litecoin.

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 18 7.56pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook? You mean politician. It's like lawyer and liar. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Aug 2018 7.57pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 18 7.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook?

You mean politician.

It's like lawyer and liar.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Aug 2018 7.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.TUX. 22 Aug 18 7.58pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook? Maybe they should look at the Fed 'n' Co first? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

22 Aug 18 7.58pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Isn't the American perception of Trump now is that he is just a crook?

Maybe they should look at the Fed 'n' Co first?

Buy Litecoin.

the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 22 Aug 18 8.32pm
Originally posted by .TUX. But it has a hole in the bottom. Technically, lots of holes. Because it is a net and that is how they work. But well done for sort of pointing out the obvious in a way that suggests you have only done so accidentally. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

the despotic banana

Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 22 Aug 18 8.32pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

But it has a hole in the bottom.

Technically, lots of holes. Because it is a net and that is how they work. But well done for sort of pointing out the obvious in a way that suggests you have only done so accidentally.

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Aug 18 8.40pm
I was a bit sorry for Nixon, a good President in my view, when you think he was the first to recognise China seems ridiculous doesn't it. But Trump I instantly thing of gangster movies and the mob, a bully and braggart who needs taking down. Not sure if I am right but he may have sought and got extra powers that would enable him to declare war. Who would have thought the USA has voters even more bonkers than the UK ones. And what do they have in common? Clinton got more votes than Trump, May is a minority leader only 32% of the poll. Maybe they should try democracy like Cambodia or Vietnam? Absurd? They both have representative democratic assemblies with majority of the voters.

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Aug 18 8.40pm

I was a bit sorry for Nixon, a good President in my view, when you think he was the first to recognise China seems ridiculous doesn't it.

But Trump I instantly thing of gangster movies and the mob, a bully and braggart who needs taking down.

Not sure if I am right but he may have sought and got extra powers that would enable him to declare war.

Who would have thought the USA has voters even more bonkers than the UK ones.

And what do they have in common?

Clinton got more votes than Trump, May is a minority leader only 32% of the poll.

Maybe they should try democracy like Cambodia or Vietnam?

Absurd? They both have representative democratic assemblies with majority of the voters.

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