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DanH SW2 05 Jun 21 6.24pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So expressing your opinion about taking the knee and the associated issues makes you a moron? What a truly ridiculous, hypocritical but predictable attitude. Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes.

DanH

SW2 05 Jun 21 6.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So expressing your opinion about taking the knee and the associated issues makes you a moron?

What a truly ridiculous, hypocritical but predictable attitude.

Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes.

cryrst The garden of England 05 Jun 21 6.26pm
Originally posted by DanH Bizarre how you lot to have to pretend something is something it isn’t just to justify it to yourself. Laughable that these people booing their own national team would be the first to try and call themselves ‘patriots’ as well. What do you say to the black posters on HOL who think it's a political unnecessary gesture which helps racism not one jot. There are some and don't forget wilf. Are they racist?

cryrst

The garden of England 05 Jun 21 6.26pm

Originally posted by DanH

Bizarre how you lot to have to pretend something is something it isn’t just to justify it to yourself. Laughable that these people booing their own national team would be the first to try and call themselves ‘patriots’ as well.

What do you say to the black posters on HOL who think it's a political unnecessary gesture which helps racism not one jot. There are some and don't forget wilf.
Are they racist?

DanH SW2 05 Jun 21 6.26pm
FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it

DanH

SW2 05 Jun 21 6.26pm

FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it

DanH SW2 05 Jun 21 6.28pm
Originally posted by cryrst What do you say to the black posters on HOL who think it's a political unnecessary gesture which helps racism not one jot. There are some and don't forget wilf. Are they racist? Did you actually read what Wilf said?

DanH

SW2 05 Jun 21 6.28pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What do you say to the black posters on HOL who think it's a political unnecessary gesture which helps racism not one jot. There are some and don't forget wilf.
Are they racist?

Did you actually read what Wilf said?

Stirlingsays 05 Jun 21 6.44pm
Originally posted by DanH FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it I must admit I had such fun during the Trump years along similar lines that it wouldn't be honest to say I didn't understand. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Jun 21 6.44pm

Originally posted by DanH

FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it

I must admit I had such fun during the Trump years along similar lines that it wouldn't be honest to say I didn't understand.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

BlueJay UK 05 Jun 21 7.45pm
Originally posted by Bobby216 I've hardly ever posted on holmesdale, but this taking the knee nonsense deserves a comment. Quite simply there should be no political statements in football. People don't go to watch football to be lectured and told they have so called white privilege just before every kickoff. Yes racism is bad. No sh!t. But this kneeling thing is a devisive gesture,imported from America and that doesn't tackle racism atall. Good that the fans are booing the knee gesture. They're entitked to voice their disaproval. I would boo the gesture aswell. Politics inevitably creeps into football on occasion for all kinds of reasons. I wasn't against, say, those who wanted to take the knee for one game doing so but don't really see the point of it week in, week out. I'm on the same page as Wilf in that there are plenty of ways to engage with inequalities (whether racial, financial and so on) that actually achieve something, whereas 'taking the knee' in isolation makes no positive difference to anything. Just look at Rashford's efforts towards the disadvantaged. They at least count for 'something'. That take dedication and effort though. Most just opt for the easy option instead as if they're doing something profound in the process. Edited by BlueJay (05 Jun 2021 7.46pm)

BlueJay

UK 05 Jun 21 7.45pm

Originally posted by Bobby216

I've hardly ever posted on holmesdale, but this taking the knee nonsense deserves a comment. Quite simply there should be no political statements in football. People don't go to watch football to be lectured and told they have so called white privilege just before every kickoff. Yes racism is bad. No sh!t. But this kneeling thing is a devisive gesture,imported from America and that doesn't tackle racism atall. Good that the fans are booing the knee gesture. They're entitked to voice their disaproval. I would boo the gesture aswell.

Politics inevitably creeps into football on occasion for all kinds of reasons. I wasn't against, say, those who wanted to take the knee for one game doing so but don't really see the point of it week in, week out. I'm on the same page as Wilf in that there are plenty of ways to engage with inequalities (whether racial, financial and so on) that actually achieve something, whereas 'taking the knee' in isolation makes no positive difference to anything. Just look at Rashford's efforts towards the disadvantaged. They at least count for 'something'. That take dedication and effort though. Most just opt for the easy option instead as if they're doing something profound in the process.

Edited by BlueJay (05 Jun 2021 7.46pm)

Spiderman Horsham 05 Jun 21 7.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I must admit I had such fun during the Trump years along similar lines that it wouldn't be honest to say I didn't understand. I have similar fun on other posts, so I do understand

Spiderman

Horsham 05 Jun 21 7.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I must admit I had such fun during the Trump years along similar lines that it wouldn't be honest to say I didn't understand.

I have similar fun on other posts, so I do understand

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 21 7.48pm
Originally posted by DanH Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes. But it is the only available way to express your feelings without being banned by the thought police. If you bring politics into sport and then appear to support or at least mimic the gestures of a controversial organization then you can expect a negative reaction There is now more at stake than football and some notion about equality. When one seemingly fails to recognize this, others will assume that they are playing dumb, or they are in fact actually dumb.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jun 21 7.48pm

Originally posted by DanH

Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes.

But it is the only available way to express your feelings without being banned by the thought police.

If you bring politics into sport and then appear to support or at least mimic the gestures of a controversial organization then you can expect a negative reaction

There is now more at stake than football and some notion about equality.
When one seemingly fails to recognize this, others will assume that they are playing dumb, or they are in fact actually dumb.

Mapletree Croydon 05 Jun 21 8.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But it is the only available way to express your feelings without being banned by the thought police. If you bring politics into sport and then appear to support or at least mimic the gestures of a controversial organization then you can expect a negative reaction There is now more at stake than football and some notion about equality. When one seemingly fails to recognize this, others will assume that they are playing dumb, or they are in fact actually dumb. Banned from what? Do the thought police have a cool uniform?

Mapletree

Croydon 05 Jun 21 8.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But it is the only available way to express your feelings without being banned by the thought police.

If you bring politics into sport and then appear to support or at least mimic the gestures of a controversial organization then you can expect a negative reaction

There is now more at stake than football and some notion about equality.
When one seemingly fails to recognize this, others will assume that they are playing dumb, or they are in fact actually dumb.

Banned from what? Do the thought police have a cool uniform?

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 21 8.23pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Banned from what? Do the thought police have a cool uniform? Do you think that just one time, you and your fellow dullards could refrain from comments clearly designed to avoid debate? You know perfectly well that any opinion that differs from the woke agenda is pounced on resulting in defamation of character, censorship and even loss of employment. We are past the point where this is just a philosophical matter. This is about the removal of free speech and the demise of our society as we know it. Facebook just banned a man who 70 million people voted for. Is that a good enough example for you?

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jun 21 8.23pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Banned from what? Do the thought police have a cool uniform?

Do you think that just one time, you and your fellow dullards could refrain from comments clearly designed to avoid debate?
You know perfectly well that any opinion that differs from the woke agenda is pounced on resulting in defamation of character, censorship and even loss of employment.
We are past the point where this is just a philosophical matter. This is about the removal of free speech and the demise of our society as we know it.

Facebook just banned a man who 70 million people voted for. Is that a good enough example for you?

PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Jun 21 8.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do you think that just one time, you and your fellow dullards could refrain from comments clearly designed to avoid debate? You know perfectly well that any opinion that differs from the woke agenda is pounced on resulting in defamation of character, censorship and even loss of employment. We are past the point where this is just a philosophical matter. This is about the removal of free speech and the demise of our society as we know it. Facebook just banned a man who 70 million people voted for. Is that a good enough example for you? 'Thought Crime' was a prominent part of Orwell's 1984 Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 05 Jun 21 8.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Facebook just banned a man who 70 million people voted for. Is that a good enough example for you?

'Thought Crime' was a prominent part of Orwell's 1984

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 05 Jun 21 10.17pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I have similar fun on other posts, so I do understand I hear yea brother. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Jun 21 10.17pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I have similar fun on other posts, so I do understand

I hear yea brother.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 05 Jun 21 10.28pm
Originally posted by DanH FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it Would you support players waving an Israeli flag like Pogba did with a Palestine one? Which flags are unacceptable for players to wave?

Teddy Eagle

05 Jun 21 10.28pm

Originally posted by DanH

FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it

Would you support players waving an Israeli flag like Pogba did with a Palestine one?
Which flags are unacceptable for players to wave?

Teddy Eagle 05 Jun 21 10.31pm
Originally posted by DanH Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes. Are they booing the cause? Or are they booing the gesture? Or are they booing the fact that having been told they are morons for voting for Brexit they’re now being told they’re virulent racists as well?

Teddy Eagle

05 Jun 21 10.31pm

Originally posted by DanH

Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes.

Are they booing the cause?
Or are they booing the gesture?
Or are they booing the fact that having been told they are morons for voting for Brexit they’re now being told they’re virulent racists as well?

Mapletree Croydon 05 Jun 21 11.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do you think that just one time, you and your fellow dullards could refrain from comments clearly designed to avoid debate? You know perfectly well that any opinion that differs from the woke agenda is pounced on resulting in defamation of character, censorship and even loss of employment. We are past the point where this is just a philosophical matter. This is about the removal of free speech and the demise of our society as we know it. Facebook just banned a man who 70 million people voted for. Is that a good enough example for you? Dullard. I love it. So do I understand that the Thought Police don’t wear a uniform or big hats after all? If they are anything like the Religious Police, who do instil genuine fear, you definitely don’t want to attract their attention. Please explain their mandate and powers. Also please post a copy of the woke agenda. Is it like Mao’s little red book? Edited by Mapletree (05 Jun 2021 11.39pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 05 Jun 21 11.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Facebook just banned a man who 70 million people voted for. Is that a good enough example for you?

Dullard. I love it.

So do I understand that the Thought Police don’t wear a uniform or big hats after all?

If they are anything like the Religious Police, who do instil genuine fear, you definitely don’t want to attract their attention. Please explain their mandate and powers.

Also please post a copy of the woke agenda. Is it like Mao’s little red book?

Edited by Mapletree (05 Jun 2021 11.39pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 21 11.40pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Dullard. I love it. So do I understand that the Thought Police don’t wear a uniform or big hats after all? If they are anything like the Religious Police, who do instil genuine fear, you definitely don’t want to attract their attention. Please explain their mandate and powers. Dullards are gonna be dull. I guess you can't help it.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jun 21 11.40pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Dullard. I love it.

So do I understand that the Thought Police don’t wear a uniform or big hats after all?

If they are anything like the Religious Police, who do instil genuine fear, you definitely don’t want to attract their attention. Please explain their mandate and powers.

Dullards are gonna be dull.

I guess you can't help it.

Mapletree Croydon 05 Jun 21 11.46pm
Originally posted by DanH FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it According to Southgate every player feels strongly they want to do this. As it is a perfectly laudable message why should they not do so? If they have passion then it is not an empty gesture. I hope they keep it up all the time people racially abuse footballers online

Mapletree

Croydon 05 Jun 21 11.46pm

Originally posted by DanH

FWIW I think it’s a bit of an empty gesture which ran its course a long time ago, but if it keeps annoying people like you lot then I’m all for it

According to Southgate every player feels strongly they want to do this. As it is a perfectly laudable message why should they not do so? If they have passion then it is not an empty gesture. I hope they keep it up all the time people racially abuse footballers online

Mapletree Croydon 05 Jun 21 11.47pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Dullards are gonna be dull. I guess you can't help it. Yes oh shining star of wisdom.

Mapletree

Croydon 05 Jun 21 11.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Dullards are gonna be dull.

I guess you can't help it.

Yes oh shining star of wisdom.

Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 21 11.52pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Yes oh shining star of wisdom. You know it.

Hrolf The Ganger

05 Jun 21 11.52pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes oh shining star of wisdom.

You know it.

DanH SW2 06 Jun 21 12.51am
Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads. [Tweet Link]

DanH

SW2 06 Jun 21 12.51am

Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads.

[Tweet Link]

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