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Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 8.59am
Originally posted by Inapickle ..I think you may find his appeal is his Scruffy appearance, contradictions of stated beliefs, clumsiness in public and his rambling speeches about other people, he is I feel actually chipping along very well as leader, people can imagine themselves being in his company and treated fairly, he is showing himself to be in touch. Sadly for him and his supporters, the greater voting public actually don't find that "appealing". At this time after the last general election he should be much much higher in the polls and gained hundreds if not thousands of seats in the local elections. Foot, Kinnock, Miliband all made substantial gains at the same stage Corbyn has reached now. Corbyn cannot even gain popularity whilst the Tories are in disarray FFS. You are sticking your head in the sand if you honestly believe that Corbyn resonates with the voting public..... more likely you are a paid up member of the Labour Party that is so ideologically brainwashed that you probably do believe your own hype.

Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 8.59am

Originally posted by Inapickle

..I think you may find his appeal is his Scruffy appearance, contradictions of stated beliefs, clumsiness in public and his rambling speeches about other people, he is I feel actually chipping along very well as leader, people can imagine themselves being in his company and treated fairly, he is showing himself to be in touch.

Sadly for him and his supporters, the greater voting public actually don't find that "appealing".

At this time after the last general election he should be much much higher in the polls and gained hundreds if not thousands of seats in the local elections.

Foot, Kinnock, Miliband all made substantial gains at the same stage Corbyn has reached now.

Corbyn cannot even gain popularity whilst the Tories are in disarray FFS.

You are sticking your head in the sand if you honestly believe that Corbyn resonates with the voting public..... more likely you are a paid up member of the Labour Party that is so ideologically brainwashed that you probably do believe your own hype.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 9.16am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Sadly for him and his supporters, the greater voting public actually don't find that "appealing". At this time after the last general election he should be much much higher in the polls and gained hundreds if not thousands of seats in the local elections. Foot, Kinnock, Miliband all made substantial gains at the same stage Corbyn has reached now. Corbyn cannot even gain popularity whilst the Tories are in disarray FFS. You are sticking your head in the sand if you honestly believe that Corbyn resonates with the voting public..... more likely you are a paid up member of the Labour Party that is so ideologically brainwashed that you probably do believe your own hype. If that was the case, why didn't the Labour vote collapse in the local elections. You yourself (as well as many others)said labour would lose a lot of councillors. They didn't so you've changed your tack to 'they should have won more so they've failed'

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 9.16am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Sadly for him and his supporters, the greater voting public actually don't find that "appealing".

At this time after the last general election he should be much much higher in the polls and gained hundreds if not thousands of seats in the local elections.

Foot, Kinnock, Miliband all made substantial gains at the same stage Corbyn has reached now.

Corbyn cannot even gain popularity whilst the Tories are in disarray FFS.

If that was the case, why didn't the Labour vote collapse in the local elections. You yourself (as well as many others)said labour would lose a lot of councillors. They didn't so you've changed your tack to 'they should have won more so they've failed'

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 20 May 16 9.17am
Corbyn is a busted Flush, the result of the lefty Bde stamping their collective feet because they thought new Labour was far to close to the middle. he is a known terrorist sympathiser, a big fan of Dianne Abbott one of the most abhorrent human beings ever to draw breath and he looks like a massive tramp. They voted him in and are now regretting it. No matter how the lefty Bde wish to dress it up, he has taken the labour party backwards. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 20 May 16 9.17am

Corbyn is a busted Flush, the result of the lefty Bde stamping their collective feet because they thought new Labour was far to close to the middle.

he is a known terrorist sympathiser, a big fan of Dianne Abbott one of the most abhorrent human beings ever to draw breath and he looks like a massive tramp.

They voted him in and are now regretting it. No matter how the lefty Bde wish to dress it up, he has taken the labour party backwards.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 9.21am
Originally posted by dannyh Corbyn is a busted Flush, the result of the lefty Bde stamping their collective feet because they thought new Labour was far to close to the middle. he is a known terrorist sympathiser, a big fan of Dianne Abbott one of the most abhorrent human beings ever to draw breath and he looks like a massive tramp. They voted him in and are now regretting it. No matter how the lefty Bde wish to dress it up, he has taken the labour party backwards. Is that why they went from 7% behind the tories (if the last local election votes were extrapolated to be G/E results) to 1% ahead? A swing of 8% to labour isn't really going backwards is it?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 9.21am

Originally posted by dannyh

Corbyn is a busted Flush, the result of the lefty Bde stamping their collective feet because they thought new Labour was far to close to the middle.

he is a known terrorist sympathiser, a big fan of Dianne Abbott one of the most abhorrent human beings ever to draw breath and he looks like a massive tramp.

They voted him in and are now regretting it. No matter how the lefty Bde wish to dress it up, he has taken the labour party backwards.

Is that why they went from 7% behind the tories (if the last local election votes were extrapolated to be G/E results) to 1% ahead?
A swing of 8% to labour isn't really going backwards is it?

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 May 16 9.32am
And this is my contribution to the debate before I go out ! : [Link] And there are other stats which I and others have placed on here which are deeply damaging for Corbyn and of course Labour in that Labour LOST seats under him whereas other leaders going into 'Council Elections' for the first time have made significant gains. Anyway I'm off now ! Edited by Willo (20 May 2016 9.39am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 May 16 9.32am

And this is my contribution to the debate before I go out ! :

[Link]

And there are other stats which I and others have placed on here which are deeply damaging for Corbyn and of course Labour in that Labour LOST seats under him whereas other leaders going into 'Council Elections' for the first time have made significant gains.

Anyway I'm off now !

Edited by Willo (20 May 2016 9.39am)

matt_himself Matataland 20 May 16 10.03am
Originally posted by nickgusset Guido claims to be independent, which it clearly isn't as it is backed by lobbying and pressure groups. Still. At least I know now that you pilfer your oh so hilarious responses directly from the comments section. Are you going to comment on the poll in GF article or just act like a toddler having a tantrum? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 May 16 10.03am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Guido claims to be independent, which it clearly isn't as it is backed by lobbying and pressure groups.

Still. At least I know now that you pilfer your oh so hilarious responses directly from the comments section.

Are you going to comment on the poll in GF article or just act like a toddler having a tantrum?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 20 May 16 10.03am
Originally posted by nickgusset Is that why they went from 7% behind the tories (if the last local election votes were extrapolated to be G/E results) to 1% ahead? A swing of 8% to labour isn't really going backwards is it? Attachment: image.jpeg (46.78Kb) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 May 16 10.03am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is that why they went from 7% behind the tories (if the last local election votes were extrapolated to be G/E results) to 1% ahead?
A swing of 8% to labour isn't really going backwards is it?

Attachment: image.jpeg (46.78Kb)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 10.07am
Originally posted by nickgusset If that was the case, why didn't the Labour vote collapse in the local elections. You yourself (as well as many others)said labour would lose a lot of councillors. They didn't so you've changed your tack to 'they should have won more so they've failed' No I didn't say those words at all.... I predicted a poor night for Labour, particularly in Scotland and I wasn't wrong. Yet again you are failing to understand an obvious point. Go back and look at my last post......... Read it again............. One more time, read it again..... Hopefully, it should be clear to you now that the night WAS a disaster for Labour/Corbyn because he failed to make substantial gains in terms of additional seats won compared to previous failed leaders, and the Labour Party are 3rd in popularity in Scotland behind the Tories. In no uncertain terms, a poor night for Labour? If you haven't come to that conclusion then there is no hope for you. Edited by Hoof Hearted (20 May 2016 10.08am)

Hoof Hearted 20 May 16 10.07am

Originally posted by nickgusset

No I didn't say those words at all.... I predicted a poor night for Labour, particularly in Scotland and I wasn't wrong.

Yet again you are failing to understand an obvious point.

Go back and look at my last post.........

Read it again.............

One more time, read it again.....

Hopefully, it should be clear to you now that the night WAS a disaster for Labour/Corbyn because he failed to make substantial gains in terms of additional seats won compared to previous failed leaders, and the Labour Party are 3rd in popularity in Scotland behind the Tories.

In no uncertain terms, a poor night for Labour?

If you haven't come to that conclusion then there is no hope for you.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (20 May 2016 10.08am)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 10.29am
Originally posted by matt_himself According to the press and some on here,labour were going to lose hundreds of seats. They lost 18. If you look at your graphic. Labour already were at a high water mark so would have been hard pushed to make many gains. Also, haven't the opposition been quite successful in forcing quite a few u-turns? Hardly a sign of failure.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 10.29am

Originally posted by matt_himself

According to the press and some on here,labour were going to lose hundreds of seats. They lost 18.

If you look at your graphic. Labour already were at a high water mark so would have been hard pushed to make many gains.

Also, haven't the opposition been quite successful in forcing quite a few u-turns? Hardly a sign of failure.

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 20 May 16 10.57am
Originally posted by nickgusset Is that why they went from 7% behind the tories (if the last local election votes were extrapolated to be G/E results) to 1% ahead? A swing of 8% to labour isn't really going backwards is it? Ahahahaha nick really ?? whatever lets you sleep at night sweet heart. He's never ever going to be PM. Hilary Benn on the other hand .... "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 20 May 16 10.57am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is that why they went from 7% behind the tories (if the last local election votes were extrapolated to be G/E results) to 1% ahead?
A swing of 8% to labour isn't really going backwards is it?

Ahahahaha nick really ?? whatever lets you sleep at night sweet heart.

He's never ever going to be PM. Hilary Benn on the other hand ....

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 10.59am
Originally posted by dannyh Ahahahaha nick really ?? whatever lets you sleep at night sweet heart. He's never ever going to be PM. Hilary Benn on the other hand .... Sweetheart? And I thought we only had a platonic relationship.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 10.59am

Originally posted by dannyh

Ahahahaha nick really ?? whatever lets you sleep at night sweet heart.

He's never ever going to be PM. Hilary Benn on the other hand ....

Sweetheart? And I thought we only had a platonic relationship.

matt_himself Matataland 20 May 16 11.00am
Originally posted by nickgusset According to the press and some on here,labour were going to lose hundreds of seats. They lost 18. If you look at your graphic. Labour already were at a high water mark so would have been hard pushed to make many gains. Also, haven't the opposition been quite successful in forcing quite a few u-turns? Hardly a sign of failure. HOL's very own King Canute. Success is judged by results at the polls. Labour lost seats, lost Wales and lost Scotland. You simply cannot describe that as success. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 May 16 11.00am

Originally posted by nickgusset

According to the press and some on here,labour were going to lose hundreds of seats. They lost 18.

If you look at your graphic. Labour already were at a high water mark so would have been hard pushed to make many gains.

Also, haven't the opposition been quite successful in forcing quite a few u-turns? Hardly a sign of failure.

HOL's very own King Canute.

Success is judged by results at the polls. Labour lost seats, lost Wales and lost Scotland. You simply cannot describe that as success.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 11.07am
Originally posted by matt_himself HOL's very own King Canute. Success is judged by results at the polls. Labour lost seats, lost Wales and lost Scotland. You simply cannot describe that as success. They lost Wales but have the first minister. Hmm

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 11.07am

Originally posted by matt_himself

HOL's very own King Canute.

Success is judged by results at the polls. Labour lost seats, lost Wales and lost Scotland. You simply cannot describe that as success.

They lost Wales but have the first minister. Hmm

matt_himself Matataland 20 May 16 11.14am
Originally posted by nickgusset They lost Wales but have the first minister. Hmm You know they are a minority government in Wales. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 May 16 11.14am

Originally posted by nickgusset

They lost Wales but have the first minister. Hmm

You know they are a minority government in Wales.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 11.18am
Originally posted by matt_himself You know they are a minority government in Wales. Yes. But I'm also aware they staved off a concerted challenge from Plaid Cymru

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 11.18am

Originally posted by matt_himself

You know they are a minority government in Wales.

Yes. But I'm also aware they staved off a concerted challenge from Plaid Cymru

jamiemartin721 Reading 20 May 16 11.18am
Originally posted by matt_himself HOL's very own King Canute. Success is judged by results at the polls. Labour lost seats, lost Wales and lost Scotland. You simply cannot describe that as success. Success should be based on representation of your constituents and the people, not whether you can seize power from the other guy. Here in lies the problem of politics, its about winning not being right. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 20 May 16 11.18am

Originally posted by matt_himself

HOL's very own King Canute.

Success is judged by results at the polls. Labour lost seats, lost Wales and lost Scotland. You simply cannot describe that as success.

Success should be based on representation of your constituents and the people, not whether you can seize power from the other guy.

Here in lies the problem of politics, its about winning not being right.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 20 May 16 12.00pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes. But I'm also aware they staved off a concerted challenge from Plaid Cymru So you are judging success as losing but losing better than expected? If that is your criteria for Corbyn, you are going to be very happy with his results over the next few years. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 May 16 12.00pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes. But I'm also aware they staved off a concerted challenge from Plaid Cymru

So you are judging success as losing but losing better than expected?

If that is your criteria for Corbyn, you are going to be very happy with his results over the next few years.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 2.10pm
Originally posted by matt_himself So you are judging success as losing but losing better than expected? If that is your criteria for Corbyn, you are going to be very happy with his results over the next few years. Many predicted major losses. Scottish Labour is in disarray, mainly because they opted for the stay camp so were being punished by voters for that. The Snp were always going to come out top there. But in England they held steady, despite the doomsayers. It is a shame that the attacks are on the leader and not the policies. And people are hoodwinked by it. If Hoof is right that labour will lose because Corbyn is scruffy, then it is a shot state of affairs.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 May 16 2.10pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

So you are judging success as losing but losing better than expected?

If that is your criteria for Corbyn, you are going to be very happy with his results over the next few years.

Many predicted major losses. Scottish Labour is in disarray, mainly because they opted for the stay camp so were being punished by voters for that. The Snp were always going to come out top there.

But in England they held steady, despite the doomsayers.

It is a shame that the attacks are on the leader and not the policies. And people are hoodwinked by it.

If Hoof is right that labour will lose because Corbyn is scruffy, then it is a shot state of affairs.

matt_himself Matataland 07 Jun 16 6.46am
[Link] Corbyn the movie. Watch Jezza sign apples. Watch Jezza get paranoid about all media outlets, including his comrades at the British Betrayal Corporation and the Guardian. Watch his male only clique tell the emperor he does have clothes on. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 07 Jun 16 6.46am

[Link]

Corbyn the movie.

Watch Jezza sign apples.

Watch Jezza get paranoid about all media outlets, including his comrades at the British Betrayal Corporation and the Guardian.

Watch his male only clique tell the emperor he does have clothes on.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Sportyteacher London 07 Jun 16 7.06am
Originally posted by nickgusset According to the press and some on here,labour were going to lose hundreds of seats. They lost 18. If you look at your graphic. Labour already were at a high water mark so would have been hard pushed to make many gains. Also, haven't the opposition been quite successful in forcing quite a few u-turns? Hardly a sign of failure. Great points made on the basis of real events rather than vacuous 'Mail/Telegraphesque opinion. ' Recent Mayoral AND Council Elections hardly yielded a ringing endorsement towards The Conservative Government with no replacement for part-time Boris; coupled with Labour now presiding over most council seats within England. Hardly a case of Cobyn's Labour failing.

Sportyteacher

London 07 Jun 16 7.06am

Originally posted by nickgusset

According to the press and some on here,labour were going to lose hundreds of seats. They lost 18.

If you look at your graphic. Labour already were at a high water mark so would have been hard pushed to make many gains.

Also, haven't the opposition been quite successful in forcing quite a few u-turns? Hardly a sign of failure.

Great points made on the basis of real events rather than vacuous 'Mail/Telegraphesque opinion. ' Recent Mayoral AND Council Elections hardly yielded a ringing endorsement towards The Conservative Government with no replacement for part-time Boris; coupled with Labour now presiding over most council seats within England. Hardly a case of Cobyn's Labour failing.

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