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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 1.21am
Originally posted by DanH Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads. You mean like people who move to Essex? Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.23am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 21 1.21am

Originally posted by DanH

Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads.

You mean like people who move to Essex?

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.23am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 06 Jun 21 1.32am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You mean like people who move to Essex? Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.23am) How you twist and stretch your logic to make yourself think you’re in the right is really quite something. Must really pain you to have to watch the Euros with Gareth and a team of English players wearing the shirt and representing the flag for England and they stand for everything you don’t. Beautiful. Edited by DanH (06 Jun 2021 1.35am)

DanH

SW2 06 Jun 21 1.32am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You mean like people who move to Essex?

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.23am)

How you twist and stretch your logic to make yourself think you’re in the right is really quite something.

Must really pain you to have to watch the Euros with Gareth and a team of English players wearing the shirt and representing the flag for England and they stand for everything you don’t. Beautiful.

Edited by DanH (06 Jun 2021 1.35am)

BlueJay UK 06 Jun 21 1.35am
Originally posted by DanH Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads. [Tweet Link] Fair play if they do all want to. I don't think it achieves much, but they're a close knit group with several blacks players (who have been actively and repeatedly racially abused). In that situation I would very likely stick with my countrymen too and give the finger to those who actively abuse and target them. Beyond that it would be nice to see players get more actively involved in changing communities for the better, as the likes of Rashford are doing. I'm sure some do on the quiet anyway, but they have massive financial clout and name recognition so can make a real, rather than a symbolic difference, if they direct their efforts wisely.

BlueJay

UK 06 Jun 21 1.35am

Originally posted by DanH

Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads.

[Tweet Link]

Fair play if they do all want to. I don't think it achieves much, but they're a close knit group with several blacks players (who have been actively and repeatedly racially abused). In that situation I would very likely stick with my countrymen too and give the finger to those who actively abuse and target them.

Beyond that it would be nice to see players get more actively involved in changing communities for the better, as the likes of Rashford are doing. I'm sure some do on the quiet anyway, but they have massive financial clout and name recognition so can make a real, rather than a symbolic difference, if they direct their efforts wisely.

Stirlingsays 06 Jun 21 1.47am
Originally posted by DanH How you twist and stretch your logic to make yourself think you’re in the right is really quite something. Must really pain you to have to watch the Euros with Gareth and a team of English players wearing the shirt and representing the flag for England and they stand for everything you don’t. Beautiful. Edited by DanH (06 Jun 2021 1.35am) I still have 66. However, if what Southgate says is true then yeah it's a division in perspective that is painful for me as an Englishman. However, it shouldn't really matter whether all the players agreed or disagreed, sport shouldn't be getting involved with months long political messaging. I never looked at sport as overtly political and I regard it as genuinely disappointing that it has taken this path....Most people don't want politics with sport. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.50am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 21 1.47am

Originally posted by DanH

How you twist and stretch your logic to make yourself think you’re in the right is really quite something.

Must really pain you to have to watch the Euros with Gareth and a team of English players wearing the shirt and representing the flag for England and they stand for everything you don’t. Beautiful.

Edited by DanH (06 Jun 2021 1.35am)

I still have 66.

However, if what Southgate says is true then yeah it's a division in perspective that is painful for me as an Englishman. However, it shouldn't really matter whether all the players agreed or disagreed, sport shouldn't be getting involved with months long political messaging.

I never looked at sport as overtly political and I regard it as genuinely disappointing that it has taken this path....Most people don't want politics with sport.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.50am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 06 Jun 21 8.46am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I still have 66. However, if what Southgate says is true then yeah it's a division in perspective that is painful for me as an Englishman. However, it shouldn't really matter whether all the players agreed or disagreed, sport shouldn't be getting involved with months long political messaging. I never looked at sport as overtly political and I regard it as genuinely disappointing that it has taken this path....Most people don't want politics with sport. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.50am) Yeh, apolitical During the Olympics, leaders from the various city-states discussed important political and economic matters. In the ancient world, major leaders rarely met the same place at the same time. As the games approached, everyone generally agreed to an Olympic truce, a time when warfare usually ceased. Athletes and spectators were granted immunity to travel to and from the games.

Mapletree

Croydon 06 Jun 21 8.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I still have 66.

I never looked at sport as overtly political and I regard it as genuinely disappointing that it has taken this path....Most people don't want politics with sport.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 1.50am)

Yeh, apolitical

During the Olympics, leaders from the various city-states discussed important political and economic matters. In the ancient world, major leaders rarely met the same place at the same time. As the games approached, everyone generally agreed to an Olympic truce, a time when warfare usually ceased. Athletes and spectators were granted immunity to travel to and from the games.

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 21 9.12am
Originally posted by DanH Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads. [Tweet Link] Do you understand how transparent you have become? Name calling? Again? Seriously? It is more than an argument against the Marxist, racist, anti law BLM organization. It is about politics in football and the very idea that Black people should have positive discrimination or that they are somehow subject to genuine racism in Britain. We are subjected to ridiculous campaigns about online abuse which any reasonable person would figure out was the cause of most of the abuse and not the solution. If you give online abusers a spotlight, they will use it. Pop psychology page one. If Black organisations were serious about helping Black people they would cooperate with police to catch and imprison Black gangsters and encourage young Black kids to follow the right path instead of blaming everyone else for their problems. When I say everyone else, I mean White people. And lastly, why oh why do the liberal elite, expect the average White person to care so deeply for the plight of Black people in general? Personally, I treat everyone the same, but I'm sure not going to stay awake at night worrying about Black people's issues. What does bother me is that a sport I have followed since a child has now been polluted by all this nonsense as a direct result of our insane immigration policy and an elite group of people and their media puppets who cynically peddle and encourage all this crap for their own ends. They just love gullible fools like you. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jun 2021 9.14am)

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jun 21 9.12am

Originally posted by DanH

Not sure how anyone can listen to this and still think their argument against it being some sort of BLM political gesture holds any water. You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads.

[Tweet Link]

Do you understand how transparent you have become?
Name calling? Again? Seriously?

It is more than an argument against the Marxist, racist, anti law BLM organization. It is about politics in football and the very idea that Black people should have positive discrimination or that they are somehow subject to genuine racism in Britain.
We are subjected to ridiculous campaigns about online abuse which any reasonable person would figure out was the cause of most of the abuse and not the solution. If you give online abusers a spotlight, they will use it. Pop psychology page one.

If Black organisations were serious about helping Black people they would cooperate with police to catch and imprison Black gangsters and encourage young Black kids to follow the right path instead of blaming everyone else for their problems. When I say everyone else, I mean White people.
And lastly, why oh why do the liberal elite, expect the average White person to care so deeply for the plight of Black people in general? Personally, I treat everyone the same, but I'm sure not going to stay awake at night worrying about Black people's issues.

What does bother me is that a sport I have followed since a child has now been polluted by all this nonsense as a direct result of our insane immigration policy and an elite group of people and their media puppets who cynically peddle and encourage all this crap for their own ends.

They just love gullible fools like you.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jun 2021 9.14am)

Spiderman Horsham 06 Jun 21 10.18am
Originally posted by DanH How you twist and stretch your logic to make yourself think you’re in the right is really quite something. Must really pain you to have to watch the Euros with Gareth and a team of English players wearing the shirt and representing the flag for England and they stand for everything you don’t. Beautiful. Edited by DanH (06 Jun 2021 1.35am) Are we allowed to discuss “the flag of England?” Don’t want to be accused of being a nation of flag wavers do we? Oh sorry apparently we already are

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Jun 21 10.18am

Originally posted by DanH

How you twist and stretch your logic to make yourself think you’re in the right is really quite something.

Must really pain you to have to watch the Euros with Gareth and a team of English players wearing the shirt and representing the flag for England and they stand for everything you don’t. Beautiful.

Edited by DanH (06 Jun 2021 1.35am)

Are we allowed to discuss “the flag of England?” Don’t want to be accused of being a nation of flag wavers do we? Oh sorry apparently we already are

PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Jun 21 11.07am
Originally posted by DanH Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes. ..yes but its not 'my country' they are representing. Would you boo a political act on behalf of the fishermen, or the hill farmers or the disadvantaged Linen industry ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 06 Jun 21 11.07am

Originally posted by DanH

Booing your own players before they’re about to represent their country is f*cking moronic, yes.

..yes but its not 'my country' they are representing.

Would you boo a political act on behalf of the fishermen, or the hill farmers or the disadvantaged Linen industry ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Jun 21 11.10am
Originally posted by DanH You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads. i shall defer to your expertise on being such things. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 06 Jun 21 11.10am

Originally posted by DanH

You’re using it as cover to be racist pricks lads.

i shall defer to your expertise on being such things.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Romford-Eagle Romford 07 Jun 21 12.24pm
We are a week away from our first game in the Euro's and all Southgate can talk about is taking the knee, some fans will boo cos its gone on to long, Britain is a far more integrated society than the US, all us honkies have got black friends and think nothing of it. If a black guy is murdered by police in America, which is thousands of miles away, why bring the problem over here, all it is doing is stoking racism over here, so Southgate should stop his players taking the knee and get on with the football.

Romford-Eagle

Romford 07 Jun 21 12.24pm

We are a week away from our first game in the Euro's and all Southgate can talk about is taking the knee, some fans will boo cos its gone on to long, Britain is a far more integrated society than the US, all us honkies have got black friends and think nothing of it.

If a black guy is murdered by police in America, which is thousands of miles away, why bring the problem over here, all it is doing is stoking racism over here, so Southgate should stop his players taking the knee and get on with the football.

manoftaste Hastings 07 Jun 21 12.45pm
Taking the knee signifies support for BLM in the same way that raising your right arm straight signifies support for Nazism. It doesn't matter how much Southgate and the players say it means something else. Taking the knee means expressing support for a Marxist sect that wants to destroy liberal capitalism. Southgate says those who boo "don't understand", but it's him and the players who don't understand. By persisting with this virtue-signalling, they are sowing divisiveness where none need exist. They should stop.

manoftaste

Hastings 07 Jun 21 12.45pm

Taking the knee signifies support for BLM in the same way that raising your right arm straight signifies support for Nazism.
It doesn't matter how much Southgate and the players say it means something else. Taking the knee means expressing support for a Marxist sect that wants to destroy liberal capitalism.
Southgate says those who boo "don't understand", but it's him and the players who don't understand. By persisting with this virtue-signalling, they are sowing divisiveness where none need exist. They should stop.

Eaglecoops CR3 07 Jun 21 12.48pm
Originally posted by Romford-Eagle We are a week away from our first game in the Euro's and all Southgate can talk about is taking the knee, some fans will boo cos its gone on to long, Britain is a far more integrated society than the US, all us honkies have got black friends and think nothing of it. If a black guy is murdered by police in America, which is thousands of miles away, why bring the problem over here, all it is doing is stoking racism over here, so Southgate should stop his players taking the knee and get on with the football. Yes, I don't like dragging the US's issues into this country. We are not the USA. What annoys me is the intimation by Corporates such as Sky that unless you are fully behind such political gestures then you are automatically considered part of the problem without knowing anything about an individuals reasons for objecting to it. Sporting events generally should be for playing sport and football stadiums for football end of, let's concentrate on that and try and win a European Championship. If the players/sportsmen want to do more then they have a voice with their fame and enough money to influence matters local to them in schools colleges etc.

Eaglecoops

CR3 07 Jun 21 12.48pm

Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

Yes, I don't like dragging the US's issues into this country. We are not the USA. What annoys me is the intimation by Corporates such as Sky that unless you are fully behind such political gestures then you are automatically considered part of the problem without knowing anything about an individuals reasons for objecting to it.

Sporting events generally should be for playing sport and football stadiums for football end of, let's concentrate on that and try and win a European Championship. If the players/sportsmen want to do more then they have a voice with their fame and enough money to influence matters local to them in schools colleges etc.

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 07 Jun 21 2.20pm
This thread started 6 months ago. Since then, generally, nothing much has changed. You only have to read some of the early posts to see that. Most of us don't have racist tendancies otherwise we wouldn't be so supportive of our star players. We don't think black folk in this country have a bad deal otherwise they wouldn't be winning BAFTAs. We see black faces in just about every TV programme and commercial when a few years ago there were hardly any. And then only when the role or product required it, not just to appease a left wing, right on, woke trend. Taking the knee was an American gesture which the BLM people introduced and was taken up up here initially as a gesture of support. It was, as far as I'm concerned, to say to everyone - look guys we don't like what happened any more than you. But now it has outlived it's original purpose and intent. Wilf, very bravely in my opinion, said so himself when he decided enough was enough and started to stand not kneel at kick off. It's no wonder it gets booed at the start of England matches. Supporters are not booing black players they are booing the overplayed, overused, outlived and redundant need to show false support for something we all recognise anyway. And that is the need for all of us to live together as humans occupying the same planet. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 07 Jun 21 2.20pm

This thread started 6 months ago. Since then, generally, nothing much has changed. You only have to read some of the early posts to see that.

Most of us don't have racist tendancies otherwise we wouldn't be so supportive of our star players.

We don't think black folk in this country have a bad deal otherwise they wouldn't be winning BAFTAs.

We see black faces in just about every TV programme and commercial when a few years ago there were hardly any. And then only when the role or product required it, not just to appease a left wing, right on, woke trend.

Taking the knee was an American gesture which the BLM people introduced and was taken up up here initially as a gesture of support.

It was, as far as I'm concerned, to say to everyone - look guys we don't like what happened any more than you.

But now it has outlived it's original purpose and intent. Wilf, very bravely in my opinion, said so himself when he decided enough was enough and started to stand not kneel at kick off.

It's no wonder it gets booed at the start of England matches. Supporters are not booing black players they are booing the overplayed, overused, outlived and redundant need to show false support for something we all recognise anyway.

And that is the need for all of us to live together as humans occupying the same planet.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

Mapletree Croydon 07 Jun 21 2.55pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer We don't think black folk in this country have a bad deal otherwise they wouldn't be winning BAFTAs. And herein is the issue Ask any one of your Black friends Oh no, silly me, Midhurst.

Mapletree

Croydon 07 Jun 21 2.55pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

We don't think black folk in this country have a bad deal otherwise they wouldn't be winning BAFTAs.

And herein is the issue

Ask any one of your Black friends

Oh no, silly me, Midhurst.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 07 Jun 21 3.05pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer We don't think black folk in this country have a bad deal otherwise they wouldn't be winning BAFTAs. Some take this is...Have a chat with your black mates, if you have any. A black kid was murdered only last week in a racially motivated attack by grown men. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 07 Jun 21 3.05pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
We don't think black folk in this country have a bad deal otherwise they wouldn't be winning BAFTAs.

Some take this is...Have a chat with your black mates, if you have any. A black kid was murdered only last week in a racially motivated attack by grown men.

La la la your mum

DanH SW2 07 Jun 21 3.16pm
Originally posted by manoftaste Taking the knee signifies support for BLM in the same way that raising your right arm straight signifies support for Nazism. It doesn't matter how much Southgate and the players say it means something else. Taking the knee means expressing support for a Marxist sect that wants to destroy liberal capitalism. Southgate says those who boo "don't understand", but it's him and the players who don't understand. By persisting with this virtue-signalling, they are sowing divisiveness where none need exist. They should stop. Taking the knee pre-dated BLM.

DanH

SW2 07 Jun 21 3.16pm

Originally posted by manoftaste

Taking the knee pre-dated BLM.

Stirlingsays 07 Jun 21 3.20pm
Originally posted by DanH Taking the knee pre-dated BLM. The Swastika pre-dated the Nazis. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jun 21 3.20pm

Originally posted by DanH

Taking the knee pre-dated BLM.

The Swastika pre-dated the Nazis.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 07 Jun 21 3.23pm
Originally posted by Mapletree And herein is the issue Ask any one of your Black friends Oh no, silly me, Midhurst. Yep, you're right, not many in this neck of the woods, but our local pharmacist is a black guy. Lovely bloke.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 07 Jun 21 3.23pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

And herein is the issue

Ask any one of your Black friends

Oh no, silly me, Midhurst.

Yep, you're right, not many in this neck of the woods, but our local pharmacist is a black guy. Lovely bloke.

Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 07 Jun 21 3.26pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Some take this is...Have a chat with your black mates, if you have any. A black kid was murdered only last week in a racially motivated attack by grown men. White kids get murdered too as it happens.

Palace Old Geezer

Midhurst 07 Jun 21 3.26pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Some take this is...Have a chat with your black mates, if you have any. A black kid was murdered only last week in a racially motivated attack by grown men.

White kids get murdered too as it happens.

Stirlingsays 07 Jun 21 3.29pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Some take this is...Have a chat with your black mates, if you have any. A black kid was murdered only last week in a racially motivated attack by grown men. Do you have a chat with your black mates when whites are attacked and/or killed by blacks? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jun 21 3.29pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Some take this is...Have a chat with your black mates, if you have any. A black kid was murdered only last week in a racially motivated attack by grown men.

Do you have a chat with your black mates when whites are attacked and/or killed by blacks?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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