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Uphill Bedford 11 Dec 19 3.39pm
If we do get another hung parliament, with Remainers again sabotaging the democratic referendum vote, we are in for very hard times indeed with business confidence completely shot and the public disillusioned with MPs and Parliament in general. I can imagine 'the silent majority' so exasperated that violence will erupt and anarchy stalking our streets. I am a Tory but would rather have Corbyn in charge than another 3 years of chaos. Although I suspect were our bearded friend be in power the country would be on it's knees within 12 months. For all his many faults true democrats must pray Johnson gains a working majority, Brexit is out of the way and we can concentrate on the pressing needs of the NHS, social care and continuing high employment. Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders

Uphill

Bedford 11 Dec 19 3.39pm

If we do get another hung parliament, with Remainers again sabotaging the democratic referendum vote, we are in for very hard times indeed with business confidence completely shot and the public disillusioned with MPs and Parliament in general.

I can imagine 'the silent majority' so exasperated that violence will erupt and anarchy stalking our streets.

I am a Tory but would rather have Corbyn in charge than
another 3 years of chaos. Although I suspect were our bearded friend be in power the country would be on it's knees within 12 months.

For all his many faults true democrats must pray Johnson gains a working majority, Brexit is out of the way and we can concentrate on the pressing needs of the NHS, social care and continuing high employment.

Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders

ddjdd Chichester 11 Dec 19 3.43pm
for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end: [Link] the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway (i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system)

ddjdd

Chichester 11 Dec 19 3.43pm

for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end:

[Link]

the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway

(i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 3.52pm
Originally posted by ddjdd for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end: [Link] the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway (i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system) I suspect that if you are voting in the Chichester constituency you might well be disappointed as in all probability the Conservatives will win the seat by a comfortable majority.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 3.52pm

Originally posted by ddjdd

for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end:

[Link]

the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway

(i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system)

I suspect that if you are voting in the Chichester constituency you might well be disappointed as in all probability the Conservatives will win the seat by a comfortable majority.

Badger11 Beckenham 11 Dec 19 3.58pm
Originally posted by ddjdd for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end: [Link] the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway (i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system) Each to his own I suppose but I am not a fan of tactical voting as it tends to be negative e.g. stop Boris / Corbyn. I prefer to be positive and vote for what I want and believe in even if I don't get it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 Dec 19 3.58pm

Originally posted by ddjdd

for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end:

[Link]

the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway

(i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system)

Each to his own I suppose but I am not a fan of tactical voting as it tends to be negative e.g. stop Boris / Corbyn.

I prefer to be positive and vote for what I want and believe in even if I don't get it.

One more point

.TUX. 11 Dec 19 4.02pm
Originally posted by Willo We are in a completely different economic position at the present time. Very difficult decisions had to be made due to the dire financial position the Government was left with by Labour.Responsible Governments make difficult decisions but I am aware of the severe impact it had.Decisions were not taken out of spite but due to economic necessity.Labour with their madcap economic policies do not understand this. With the significant increases in funding for the NHS,schools, public services etc etc etc announced by the Conservatives the bygone days of 'Cuts' are over.This is a new era. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2019 2.25pm) Hogwash. We're far worse off now than we were then. The financial-system has once again taken us to the brink, only far bigger than 2008 could ever have imagined. Austerity, ie the poor paying for the deliberate financial shenanigans of the rich, was/is nothing short of a bloody outrage. And surprise surprise, they've gone and done it again. The banks are illiquid and the pressure is building everyday. Will you once again enjoy paying for the deliberate actions of others Willo? Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

11 Dec 19 4.02pm

Originally posted by Willo

We are in a completely different economic position at the present time.

Very difficult decisions had to be made due to the dire financial position the Government was left with by Labour.Responsible Governments make difficult decisions but I am aware of the severe impact it had.Decisions were not taken out of spite but due to economic necessity.Labour with their madcap economic policies do not understand this.

With the significant increases in funding for the NHS,schools, public services etc etc etc announced by the Conservatives the bygone days of 'Cuts' are over.This is a new era.

Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2019 2.25pm)

Hogwash. We're far worse off now than we were then.
The financial-system has once again taken us to the brink, only far bigger than 2008 could ever have imagined.
Austerity, ie the poor paying for the deliberate financial shenanigans of the rich, was/is nothing short of a bloody outrage.
And surprise surprise, they've gone and done it again. The banks are illiquid and the pressure is building everyday.

Will you once again enjoy paying for the deliberate actions of others Willo?

Buy Litecoin.

Lyons550 Shirley 11 Dec 19 4.10pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Not that anyone on here cares about the truth But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics. The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site. Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30% But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news. To be fair maple...its the lack of funding in Social care that's the real reason. The lack of funding in NHS pales into insignificance compared to the way that Adult Social care in Local Authorities has been treated and viewed by multiple governments. If you invest in Social care, it'll start to prevent unnecessary waiting times at A&E, free up beds in Wards and relieve the demand on the Hospitals. THATS where the money needs to be spent...NOT the NHS The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 11 Dec 19 4.10pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that anyone on here cares about the truth

But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population

In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics.

The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site.

Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30%

But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news.

To be fair maple...its the lack of funding in Social care that's the real reason. The lack of funding in NHS pales into insignificance compared to the way that Adult Social care in Local Authorities has been treated and viewed by multiple governments.

If you invest in Social care, it'll start to prevent unnecessary waiting times at A&E, free up beds in Wards and relieve the demand on the Hospitals.

THATS where the money needs to be spent...NOT the NHS

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 4.11pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Hogwash. We're far worse off now than we were then. The financial-system has once again taken us to the brink, only far bigger than 2008 could ever have imagined. Austerity, ie the poor paying for the deliberate financial shenanigans of the rich, was/is nothing short of a bloody outrage. And surprise surprise, they've gone and done it again. The banks are illiquid and the pressure is building everyday. Will you once again enjoy paying for the deliberate actions of others Willo? With respect hogwash on stilts apropos the state of the economy now and when Labour left office in 2010.Labour always leave the economy in a worst state that when they came to office. Austerity was the result of the dire state of the economy the Government inherited.Very difficult decisions had to be made out of necessity. We are on opposite sides of the house on this matter. I say with the greatest of respect that we will have to agree to disagree. Must now go out to continue the work for my party.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 19 4.11pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Will you once again enjoy paying for the deliberate actions of others Willo?

With respect hogwash on stilts apropos the state of the economy now and when Labour left office in 2010.Labour always leave the economy in a worst state that when they came to office.

Austerity was the result of the dire state of the economy the Government inherited.Very difficult decisions had to be made out of necessity.

We are on opposite sides of the house on this matter.
I say with the greatest of respect that we will have to agree to disagree.
Must now go out to continue the work for my party.

Lyons550 Shirley 11 Dec 19 4.16pm
Originally posted by ddjdd for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end: [Link] the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway (i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system) Why would you want to tactically vote out a party rather than vote for who you want? It bemuses me.. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 11 Dec 19 4.16pm

Originally posted by ddjdd

for those who want the tories out, it's worth checking this tactical voting website which compares the various sites making recommendations on how to vote to this end:

[Link]

the recommendations are aligned for 94% of seats, but if they are conflicting for your area, then i reckon best bet is to vote for the party you would normally anyway

(i personally am voting for a party i dislike quite a lot, in order to get the tories out - that's the unfortunate reality of our voting system)

Why would you want to tactically vote out a party rather than vote for who you want? It bemuses me..

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 4.25pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Might I kindly suggest a different strategy, nothing of note happens until about 4/5am in the morning. I go to bed normal time and wake up early by then they are predicting the result so I go back to sleep or sleeplessness depending on who won. Yeah, but the process is part of the fun. It's more entertaining than the Superbowl.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 19 4.25pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Might I kindly suggest a different strategy, nothing of note happens until about 4/5am in the morning. I go to bed normal time and wake up early by then they are predicting the result so I go back to sleep or sleeplessness depending on who won.

Yeah, but the process is part of the fun.

It's more entertaining than the Superbowl.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 4.29pm
Originally posted by Matov LOL. Usually, I would do the same but not sure I can cope with this one. Absolutely done in with democracy at the moment. My faith in the voting process has been absolutely shaken to its very core. And if it looks like anything other than a Tory majority then thought of having to watch the BBC trotting out w*er after w*er salivating at the thought of chucking my vote on June 23rd 2016 into the bin then I reckon I will burst a blood vessel. But if I wake up in the morning and it is clear that Brexit is going to be sabotaged, then it will be crystal cold water running through my veins. Need the step back from the process because tomorrow could be the last time I ever vote, at least in this current system. I totally agree with your sentiment. I am hoping for an outcome where democracy can at least keep a shred of credibility and that will have to include some sort of Brexit.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 19 4.29pm

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. Usually, I would do the same but not sure I can cope with this one.

Absolutely done in with democracy at the moment. My faith in the voting process has been absolutely shaken to its very core. And if it looks like anything other than a Tory majority then thought of having to watch the BBC trotting out w***er after w***er salivating at the thought of chucking my vote on June 23rd 2016 into the bin then I reckon I will burst a blood vessel.

But if I wake up in the morning and it is clear that Brexit is going to be sabotaged, then it will be crystal cold water running through my veins. Need the step back from the process because tomorrow could be the last time I ever vote, at least in this current system.

I totally agree with your sentiment.

I am hoping for an outcome where democracy can at least keep a shred of credibility and that will have to include some sort of Brexit.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Dec 19 4.29pm
I always think the Tories are the most used to frequent swinging. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Dec 19 4.29pm

I always think the Tories are the most used to frequent swinging.

Red and Blue Army!

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 4.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'll also be pulling that all nighter after keeping clear of all the Question Times and all that Jazz. Just had a pub lunch with the sister.....Stomach bigger than Canada at the moment. Gonna need some severe food austerity after Christmas. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2019 3.30pm) I have attempted to avoid TV politics for a few days but I usually end up catching some of it. I just hope the endless left bias on all the TV channels has not whittled down the Tory lead to the point where we are back at square one.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 19 4.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll also be pulling that all nighter after keeping clear of all the Question Times and all that Jazz.

Just had a pub lunch with the sister.....Stomach bigger than Canada at the moment.

Gonna need some severe food austerity after Christmas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2019 3.30pm)

I have attempted to avoid TV politics for a few days but I usually end up catching some of it.

I just hope the endless left bias on all the TV channels has not whittled down the Tory lead to the point where we are back at square one.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 19 4.54pm
Originally posted by Uphill If we do get another hung parliament, with Remainers again sabotaging the democratic referendum vote, we are in for very hard times indeed with business confidence completely shot and the public disillusioned with MPs and Parliament in general. I can imagine 'the silent majority' so exasperated that violence will erupt and anarchy stalking our streets. I am a Tory but would rather have Corbyn in charge than another 3 years of chaos. Although I suspect were our bearded friend be in power the country would be on it's knees within 12 months. For all his many faults true democrats must pray Johnson gains a working majority, Brexit is out of the way and we can concentrate on the pressing needs of the NHS, social care and continuing high employment. Make that 12 weeks..... Personally, will NEVER vote again after the lying, in it for themselves MPs totally ignored our last vote....

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 11 Dec 19 4.54pm

Originally posted by Uphill

I can imagine 'the silent majority' so exasperated that violence will erupt and anarchy stalking our streets.

I am a Tory but would rather have Corbyn in charge than
another 3 years of chaos. Although I suspect were our bearded friend be in power the country would be on it's knees within 12 months.

Make that 12 weeks.....
Personally, will NEVER vote again after the lying, in it for themselves MPs totally ignored our last vote....

ddjdd Chichester 11 Dec 19 5.04pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Why would you want to tactically vote out a party rather than vote for who you want? It bemuses me.. looking at the state that the country is in, many people want to try to get the tories out however possible. The first past the post voting system means that most seats can only be realistically contested by 2 parties. This means that in many cases, when your favoured party is not 1 of the 2 main competitors for a seat, a vote for your party will not make any difference in stopping the party that you don't want winning. Therefore, it is a good idea to vote tactically to get the result you want! hope i have explained clearly

ddjdd

Chichester 11 Dec 19 5.04pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Why would you want to tactically vote out a party rather than vote for who you want? It bemuses me..

looking at the state that the country is in, many people want to try to get the tories out however possible.

The first past the post voting system means that most seats can only be realistically contested by 2 parties.

This means that in many cases, when your favoured party is not 1 of the 2 main competitors for a seat, a vote for your party will not make any difference in stopping the party that you don't want winning.

Therefore, it is a good idea to vote tactically to get the result you want!

hope i have explained clearly

ddjdd Chichester 11 Dec 19 5.06pm
Originally posted by Willo The figures being quoted have been 50,000 and 31,000 the difference of which is 19,000. It has been estimated that some 19,000 would leave the NHS but for the additional funding pledged by the Conservatives. the issue is that tories are claiming that there will be 50,000 MORE nurses, when 19,000 of those counted in this number are ALREADY nurses. it doesn't take a genius to work out that this is a lie.

ddjdd

Chichester 11 Dec 19 5.06pm

Originally posted by Willo

The figures being quoted have been 50,000 and 31,000 the difference of which is 19,000. It has been estimated that some 19,000 would leave the NHS but for the additional funding pledged by the Conservatives.

the issue is that tories are claiming that there will be 50,000 MORE nurses, when 19,000 of those counted in this number are ALREADY nurses.

it doesn't take a genius to work out that this is a lie.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Dec 19 5.42pm
Originally posted by ddjdd the issue is that tories are claiming that there will be 50,000 MORE nurses, when 19,000 of those counted in this number are ALREADY nurses. it doesn't take a genius to work out that this is a lie. They’ve done the same thing with claims around police numbers, hospitals and certain funding pledges.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 11 Dec 19 5.42pm

Originally posted by ddjdd

the issue is that tories are claiming that there will be 50,000 MORE nurses, when 19,000 of those counted in this number are ALREADY nurses.

it doesn't take a genius to work out that this is a lie.

They’ve done the same thing with claims around police numbers, hospitals and certain funding pledges.

jeeagles 11 Dec 19 5.45pm
Originally posted by Uphill If we do get another hung parliament, with Remainers again sabotaging the democratic referendum vote, we are in for very hard times indeed with business confidence completely shot and the public disillusioned with MPs and Parliament in general. I can imagine 'the silent majority' so exasperated that violence will erupt and anarchy stalking our streets. I am a Tory but would rather have Corbyn in charge than another 3 years of chaos. Although I suspect were our bearded friend be in power the country would be on it's knees within 12 months. For all his many faults true democrats must pray Johnson gains a working majority, Brexit is out of the way and we can concentrate on the pressing needs of the NHS, social care and continuing high employment. I was a Labour remainer. I'd rather have a decision on Brexit. It's been proven that a hung parliament won't do that. Labour want to renegotiate a deal that's taken 3 years (they say it will take 6 months - heard that before) and to have another referendum. Their entire term will be based around Brexit. Corbyn failed to convince his constituents to remain. He lost an election against May when the Tories took us out of the EU, crashed the pound, wanted to take peoples houses away to pay for care and bring back fox hunting. I cant believe he's still in charge. His supporters say they hate the Tories more than anything else, but have handed them Power for 8 years! The champagne socialist also forget that a points based entry system will protect people in low skilled jobs, slow down house prices, and reduce pressure on services. Edited by jeeagles (11 Dec 2019 5.46pm)

jeeagles

11 Dec 19 5.45pm

Originally posted by Uphill

I can imagine 'the silent majority' so exasperated that violence will erupt and anarchy stalking our streets.

I am a Tory but would rather have Corbyn in charge than
another 3 years of chaos. Although I suspect were our bearded friend be in power the country would be on it's knees within 12 months.

I was a Labour remainer. I'd rather have a decision on Brexit. It's been proven that a hung parliament won't do that. Labour want to renegotiate a deal that's taken 3 years (they say it will take 6 months - heard that before) and to have another referendum. Their entire term will be based around Brexit.

Corbyn failed to convince his constituents to remain. He lost an election against May when the Tories took us out of the EU, crashed the pound, wanted to take peoples houses away to pay for care and bring back fox hunting. I cant believe he's still in charge.

His supporters say they hate the Tories more than anything else, but have handed them Power for 8 years!

The champagne socialist also forget that a points based entry system will protect people in low skilled jobs, slow down house prices, and reduce pressure on services.

Edited by jeeagles (11 Dec 2019 5.46pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 6.24pm
Originally posted by ddjdd the issue is that tories are claiming that there will be 50,000 MORE nurses, when 19,000 of those counted in this number are ALREADY nurses. it doesn't take a genius to work out that this is a lie. Don't you love when Lefties try to claim the moral high ground on lying? Tell me you are just being partisan. Tell me you don't really think Labour tell the truth about the NHS.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Dec 19 6.24pm

Originally posted by ddjdd

the issue is that tories are claiming that there will be 50,000 MORE nurses, when 19,000 of those counted in this number are ALREADY nurses.

it doesn't take a genius to work out that this is a lie.

Don't you love when Lefties try to claim the moral high ground on lying?

Tell me you are just being partisan. Tell me you don't really think Labour tell the truth about the NHS.

Midlands Eagle 11 Dec 19 6.39pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Each to his own I suppose but I am not a fan of tactical voting as it tends to be negative e.g. stop Boris / Corbyn. I'm going to vote tactically. I want the Conservatives to win so I'm going to vote Conservative. You can't get more tactical than that

Midlands Eagle

11 Dec 19 6.39pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Each to his own I suppose but I am not a fan of tactical voting as it tends to be negative e.g. stop Boris / Corbyn.

I'm going to vote tactically. I want the Conservatives to win so I'm going to vote Conservative. You can't get more tactical than that

Midlands Eagle 11 Dec 19 6.41pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 To be fair maple...its the lack of funding in Social care that's the real reason. The lack of funding in NHS pales into insignificance compared to the way that Adult Social care in Local Authorities has been treated and viewed by multiple governments. The one thing that I don't think has been mentioned so far in all discussions about healthcare costs is the change in lifestyle in recent decades. Once upon a time we used to look after our old people but nowadays they are viewed as a burden and chucked out as being someone else's problem.

Midlands Eagle

11 Dec 19 6.41pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

The one thing that I don't think has been mentioned so far in all discussions about healthcare costs is the change in lifestyle in recent decades.

Once upon a time we used to look after our old people but nowadays they are viewed as a burden and chucked out as being someone else's problem.

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