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Jeremy Corbyn is not as radical or unpopular as the mainstreaam media try to portray him

Worth a read, as it gives a left wing viewpoint.
One of the main tenets of the argument, other than the way the media frames debates ( Corbyn is always described as left wing whilst Cameron, whose parties policies are way to the right of even Thatcher, isn't described as right wing) is that Corbyns ideas have wide public support from both Labour and Tory voters as well as the floating voters.

Evidence of this can be found here in a yougov survey.

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Labour’s plan to freeze energy prices for 20 months has re-ignited the debate over the role of the government in markets, with Conservatives arguing intervention is a ‘con’ while Labour claim the state should ‘reset’ the market. Shadow transport secretary Mary Creagh has even suggested Labour are open to re-nationalising train services.

68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately. The British people also tend strongly to prefer a publicly-run National Health Service (as it is now) and a publicly-run Royal Mail (as it was until last year).

You're missing the point, having just commented on my one post... as you usually do.

I have been at pains to point out that Corbyn does himself and his party no favours at all by his actions, and completely doing a u turn on the EU after 40+ years of hostile criticism of it's bureaucracy makes him look stupid. Add in the railways nationalisation and he looks ridiculous.

I don't think my argument is weak at all.

I'm happy to continually criticise Corbyn and Cameron for u turning on their true beliefs about the EU and judging by the polls, I'm not alone in this as the Leave campaign is now ahead in at least one poll after being well behind in all of them previously.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (07 Jun 2016 5.25pm)

Maybe so, but it doesn't negate my point that it was the most efficient and profitable prior to reprivatisation.
In fact the reason it was brought back to public ownership was because even with the subsidies the company received (from us taxpayers - spending other people's money effectively (something that people has said is a definition of socialism)) they made a bad fist of it Himself .

Edited by nickgusset (07 Jun 2016 7.55pm)

Corbyn could bring about world peace and eradicate poverty but Hoof would still think he's a pillock.

But that's the flaw in your argument - his only realistic alternative is to resign, which (in his mind at least) is a worst option.

The rest of what you've said is fairly generic anti-Corbyn rhetoric - I asked the question specifically in regards to his stance on the EU, as that was the part of your argument I disagreed with.

Please gentleman may I join ?

Thank you.

I think hoof has answered many times over why Compo's sudden and dramatic U turn (biggest one since Nugent had a job getting out of sainsburys car park makes him and the party a laughing stock.

You can't bang on vehemently for 40 odd years about how utterly shyte you think something is, to then, in the blink of an eye, change your tune to entirely the complete and utter polar opposite, without people questioning your motives for doing so.

That and the fact he shagged that racist pig Abbott make him as trustworthy as a wolf baby sitting a chicken coup.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

To be honest I think you are just arguing with me again for the sake of it.

There is little point continuing to try and "Paxo" me as I've made myself abundantly clear to others, if not to you, and I don't really care if you agree with me or not quite frankly.

Indeed dannyh's response on my behalf says all you need to know.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (08 Jun 2016 1.29pm)

I agree - but I think his motives for doing so are very obvious; his only other alternative is to resign.

Exactly. 'Straight talking, honest politics' it isn't. It is politics. He wants to throw water on a Tory oil fire and Stoke division. The oldest political chicanery in the book.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

I might accept this if you didn't just agree with dannyh and matt_himself who said exactly what I said, but you took issue with me saying it..... adding little insults like "it's a simple concept" for good measure.

I'm not stupid, and know when someone is trying to undermine me.