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 cryrst  The garden of England 11 Dec 19 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I do not recall ever telling you that you are obnoxious. I have rather a soft spot for you. Which is weird because I disagree with most of your views It's called his helmet on a rather hard appendage.
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 19 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
We leave by the end of January. And fingers cross leave without a deal by the end of 2020. But there will be progress. One less star on that s***ty flag. Our MEP's back home. What do Labour offer us? Another referendum before the first has been implemented? With no real Leave option? Oh and EU citizens and kids voting in it. Yes, that solves everything. That will unify the country. It is a recipie for utter calamity. I get why many of you loathe Johnson. I really do. No love for him myself and I suspect that although I will cast my vote for the Tories tomorrow if we do leave the EU I suspect it will be the last time ever. But Corbyn as PM? Seriously? A man who gave succor to the IRA at the time it was trying to kill people on British streets? Who proclaims people like Hammas as friends? With that other w***er McDonnell by his side? And even bigger scumbag in my opinion and by far the more dangerous. Once Brexit is achieved then I am bowing out of all political discourse for a long long time. Cut ties with a lot of people who I have known for decades over it and suspect that those friendships will never be rekindled. Nobody will emerge from this unbloodied but so far it has been jaw-jaw. Painful yes but better than the alternatives. We don't leave and then I fear the worse because democracy will have been fatally undermined in this country. Our current political class, of all shades, are wretched. They really are. But we also all have to look in the mirror and ask what part we played in it as well. How vitriolic many of us have become, how dismissive of others point of views, how entrenched we have become. And for who? A political class that have shown zero true leadership or respect for the very basics of our democratic process? Wondering was it you who called a friendship because you didnt agree their ideas on why remain was better, or are you now a racist bigoted know nothing and they called your friendship.
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Badger11  Beckenham 11 Dec 19 7.04pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The one thing that I don't think has been mentioned so far in all discussions about healthcare costs is the change in lifestyle in recent decades. Once upon a time we used to look after our old people but nowadays they are viewed as a burden and chucked out as being someone else's problem. Good point maybe we should tell the younger generation that it's their responsibility to look after us oldies so where moving into the spare room? I must confess if my dad asked to move in with me he get no joy.
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| Matov 11 Dec 19 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Wondering was it you who called a friendship because you didnt agree their ideas on why remain was better, or are you now a racist bigoted know nothing and they called your friendship.
As I have stated, I had no problem with anybody who wanted to remain in the EU. Some valid arguments were made. But once that result was in on June 23rd, the issue should have been settled. And once it is, if people wish to campaign/support our rejoining then once again, best of British to them. That is how democracy works. It is the failure to accept the result that is an issue that makes me reassess how I see others. But my racist bigotted tendencies are a factor. Always willing to concede that. Throw in my dislike of pets, my almost black as the hole in my arse sense of humour and a propensity for being a contrary arsehole at the best of times and yes, it is easy to understand why others might regard me as poor friendship material. Still it happens. What can you do?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| elgrande bedford 11 Dec 19 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not that anyone on here cares about the truth But the reason the NHS is costing more is the aging population In general immigrants are low users of the NHS due to their demographics. The single largest group of patients are 65 to 69 year olds, a group growing very rapidly (over 35% in the past 10 years). Probably the majority of this site. Population growth can’t be the cause. It has been running at 8% but hospital admissions increasing at 30% But please don’t let me confuse you with actual, factual data. Carry on in your angry bubbles of false news. So do immigrants stay the same age when they come here then....or do they actually get old too.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| elgrande bedford 11 Dec 19 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So this is not an example of someone blaming immigration for the woes of the NHS Stirling? Clearly I have misread it, my apologies Read the f***ing post you dipstick,its not the only reason but to deny it's not a factor is cloud cuckoo land. As I said in that post ,I have no worries with my gp s or hospitals in my area....but it's not a high immigration area.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 19 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
As I have stated, I had no problem with anybody who wanted to remain in the EU. Some valid arguments were made. But once that result was in on June 23rd, the issue should have been settled. And once it is, if people wish to campaign/support our rejoining then once again, best of British to them. That is how democracy works. It is the failure to accept the result that is an issue that makes me reassess how I see others. But my racist bigotted tendencies are a factor. Always willing to concede that. Throw in my dislike of pets, my almost black as the hole in my arse sense of humour and a propensity for being a contrary arsehole at the best of times and yes, it is easy to understand why others might regard me as poor friendship material. Still it happens. What can you do? How I see it matov.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Read the f***ing post you dipstick,its not the only reason but to deny it's not a factor is cloud cuckoo land. As I said in that post ,I have no worries with my gp s or hospitals in my area....but it's not a high immigration area. For someone who has supposedly done al the things he has done, he really is a bit thick.
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| Matov 11 Dec 19 8.12pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
How I see it matov. Your clearly are not very popular then. I have plenty of friends thank you very much. Meeting up with the inner circle on Friday for our annual Christmas shindig. 9 definites with 2 excused for a variety of reasons. And all STAUNCH leavers. But a fair old few others as well. And in those slightly further out circles, exist the R2's. I am more than happy to call them all the w***ers under the sun for their ludicrous stance but sometimes blood is thicker than water and all are people I would happily shed a liver or a kidney for if need be. Still Lefties tend to be more miserable f***ers than those of us on the Right so perhaps their lack of chums is understandable.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 19 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Your clearly are not very popular then. I have plenty of friends thank you very much. Meeting up with the inner circle on Friday for our annual Christmas shindig. 9 definites with 2 excused for a variety of reasons. And all STAUNCH leavers. But a fair old few others as well. And in those slightly further out circles, exist the R2's. I am more than happy to call them all the w***ers under the sun for their ludicrous stance but sometimes blood is thicker than water and all are people I would happily shed a liver or a kidney for if need be. Still Lefties tend to be more miserable f***ers than those of us on the Right so perhaps their lack of chums is understandable. Not 'you' as in you personally.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Dec 19 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Please vote tomorrow I know many of us are disillusioned but it is important even if you spoil your vote at least you are making a statement. Thank you I see no point in vote spoiling. No one will care. Vote for Brexit. Vote Tory.
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| cryrst The garden of England 11 Dec 19 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see no point in vote spoiling. No one will care. Vote for Brexit. Vote Tory. And yes
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| silvertop Portishead 11 Dec 19 9.28pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Not 'you' as in you personally. I suspect your left of him in the sense that everyone is
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| Matov 11 Dec 19 9.57pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I suspect your left of him in the sense that everyone is
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 19 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So do immigrants stay the same age when they come here then....or do they actually get old too. Good point. The numbers are indeed swelled by returning expats who no longer wish to pay for health care costs overseas
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 19 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
For someone who has supposedly done al the things he has done, he really is a bit thick. I always find it strangely satisfying when you exhibit your jealousy of others who have led interesting lives.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 19 10.46pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Read the f***ing post you dipstick,its not the only reason but to deny it's not a factor is cloud cuckoo land. As I said in that post ,I have no worries with my gp s or hospitals in my area....but it's not a high immigration area. Perhaps you would care to read some of mine. Immigrants pay into the system. If the population grows so should the system. But instead the government uses the extra income in other areas instead of providing necessary basic support. Simply a big ponzi scheme relying on continuing population growth Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2019 10.48pm)
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| Matov 11 Dec 19 10.57pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Perhaps you would care to read some of mine. Immigrants pay into the system. Edited by Mapletree (11 Dec 2019 10.48pm) I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed. Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this. I get why we need more migrants coming into the country, a stance that puts me at odds with many on the Leave side. And it is for the best that those come from EU nations for a variety of reasons. Problem with the Left is that they try and soft-coat the issue rather than being honest with people. If you would rather have two holidays a year and a new car every three rather than make the sacrifice and have kids then the UK needs to find new blood from somewhere. Better those come from Europe than elsewhere.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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