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 matt_himself  Matataland 08 Jun 16 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing. Cue Gusset saying something like 'the majority of Labour supporters want to Remain', despite the fact that Labour members haven't voted on it. It all political bollocks and Corbyn is no better than any of them but at least removes the facade of 'doing things differently' that he has peddled for months.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Jun 16 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing. I think that's a bit hyperbolic - he made a decision to bite his tongue on this, to extend his chances of remaining leader - it's impossible for us to know whether he did this for the sake of position and power, or because he knows he can have far greater influence in the future if he concedes on this particular issue. Corbyn's motives are impossible for us to know, but I think his decision is entirely understandable either way. As for how that makes him any better than the others, I've never claimed that he is.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Jun 16 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So effectively then we have a man, who has sold his soul, and kicked his moral compass into touch, all for the sake of position and power. Tell me how that makes him any better than all the other politicians, who, ironically he accuses of that very thing. Quite agree, but then that's politics isn't it. You get in with the best of intentions, and as soon as you get nearer any real power, you increasingly become corrupted. Its easy to be idealistic when you distanced from the centre, the closer you get to the centre of power, the more you compromise, and the more you compromise, the further you move from your own self. Personally, I think its all a sham, because the issue isn't whether the UK should remain in the EU, but what how the remain and exit parties will use those positions to the benefit of the UK citizens.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 10.47am |
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Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday.
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| npn Crowborough 17 Jun 16 11.25am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday. I think a lot of that would be the Sadique Khan effect. But regardless, purpose of the post - how many nutter raving loony types are there in Tooting? Des Coke (Christian People's Party) - 164 the bloke who got beaten by "Give me back Elmo" must be gutted!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 11.29am |
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Originally posted by npn
I think a lot of that would be the Sadique Khan effect. But regardless, purpose of the post - how many nutter raving loony types are there in Tooting? Des Coke (Christian People's Party) - 164 the bloke who got beaten by "Give me back Elmo" must be gutted! Is the last one related to neill?
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Jun 16 11.32am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday. If Labour had put up a slug with a Red Rosette and said it's name was Khan it would still have won. Labour aren't on the slide in areas like Tooting. Labour aren't making inroads in constituencies where it matters. You made the same mistake in May believing that Mayoral victories in London and Bristol was success but many of us pointed out then, that at that stage Labour needed to gain Council seats in their 100's but failed to do so. Whilst I admire your optimism, I fear that it is grossly misplaced as the perfect conditions are in place for a surge in Labour's popularity with the common voter, but they are still turning away from Corbyn. Still, you believe what you want.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
If Labour had put up a slug with a Red Rosette and said it's name was Khan it would still have won. Labour aren't on the slide in areas like Tooting. Labour aren't making inroads in constituencies where it matters. You made the same mistake in May believing that Mayoral victories in London and Bristol was success but many of us pointed out then, that at that stage Labour needed to gain Council seats in their 100's but failed to do so. Whilst I admire your optimism, I fear that it is grossly misplaced as the perfect conditions are in place for a surge in Labour's popularity with the common voter, but they are still turning away from Corbyn. Still, you believe what you want. If the press are to believed, one would have expected the labour share of the vote to go down...
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Jun 16 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If the press are to believed, one would have expected the labour share of the vote to go down... The Press have their own agendas.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 11.39am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
The Press have their own agendas. Interesting that you think this but deny media manipulation elsewhere. I'm glad you've been convinced to change your mind on this.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 16 11.49am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Labour are definitely on the slide, what with their increased majority in the Tooting by-election yesterday. Ha ha you couldn't make it up.
Desperate stuff.
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Jun 16 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Interesting that you think this but deny media manipulation elsewhere. I'm glad you've been convinced to change your mind on this. FFS... you are a dufus. The Press includes all newspapers of all political affiliations. Of course the Sun, Mail etc are going to paint a bleak picture of Labour's achievements whereas the Mirror and Socialist Worker are going to big it up. I've never denied media manipulation - as I keep telling Bert The Head, I can make my own mind up and don't need spin from the BBC, Sky, Newspapers, Russell Brand, Jeremy Clarkson...... or you!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
FFS... you are a dufus. The Press includes all newspapers of all political affiliations. Of course the Sun, Mail etc are going to paint a bleak picture of Labour's achievements whereas the Mirror and Socialist Worker are going to big it up. I've never denied media manipulation - as I keep telling Bert The Head, I can make my own mind up and don't need spin from the BBC, Sky, Newspapers, Russell Brand, Jeremy Clarkson...... or you! Whilst I agree that not everyone is easily manipulated and reads around different subjects, there are many that you speak to that actually are taken in by downright lies (that are corrected when challenged but in a tine section in the middle of the paper) that are printed. Repeating the same lies and disingenuous nonsense over and over again does lead people to actually believe it. Look at the ipsos mori poll last week - posted on the EU thread - about what people thought vs reality as evidence of this. People are saying it's a labour heartland so they were bound to win, in many ways true, but the swing from conservative to Labour was 7%. Added to this the gentrification of tooting, much like it's near neighbour battersea (which saw a swing to to tories) I think it's very positive for Labour. Of course you are allowed to have a different opinion, but I happen to think you underestimate support for Labour despite the efforts of at least 3/4 of the media. EDIT: Discussed on Daily Politics earlier - Cocooned media suggesting Labour would implode under Corbyn mentioned. Also mentioned the demographic of Tooting getting 'posher', in fact some were worried that Sadiq Khan winning the seat in the GE could have been in doubt. Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2016 12.57pm)
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| snytaxx London 26 Jun 16 8.59am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Blimey. I'm not sure why Labour want to oust Corbyn just yet. They keep saying that he was ineffectual during the referendum but there were a higher percentage of Labour voters who voted remain than other parties (bar Ukip)according to many sources. Remember whoever is in charge of Labour would get s*** thrown at them by the press. Half the cabinet set to go now... He is real trouble.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 Jun 16 9.05am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Blimey. I'm not sure why Labour want to oust Corbyn just yet. They keep saying that he was ineffectual during the referendum but there were a higher percentage of Labour voters who voted remain than other parties (bar Ukip)according to many sources. Remember whoever is in charge of Labour would get s*** thrown at them by the press. Gusset, the referendum was won in Labour heartlands. Traditional Labour voters defied Jezza's half arsed appeals to Remain and voted for Leave. It's almost as if Jezza didn't believe himself what he was saying about Remain... He has to go. Bye bye Comrade.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jun 16 9.25am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Blimey. I'm not sure why Labour want to oust Corbyn just yet. They keep saying that he was ineffectual during the referendum but there were a higher percentage of Labour voters who voted remain than other parties (bar Ukip)according to many sources. Remember whoever is in charge of Labour would get s*** thrown at them by the press. Whoever is in charge of Labour they will be trounced in the next GE. 30% of Labour voters have said they won't vote Labour in the next GE. What's best? Corbyn crushed by defeat or Benn crushed by defeat and another leader?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jun 16 9.55am |
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Carve up?
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