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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 19 11.11pm
Originally posted by Matov I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed. Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this. I get why we need more migrants coming into the country, a stance that puts me at odds with many on the Leave side. And it is for the best that those come from EU nations for a variety of reasons. Problem with the Left is that they try and soft-coat the issue rather than being honest with people. If you would rather have two holidays a year and a new car every three rather than make the sacrifice and have kids then the UK needs to find new blood from somewhere. Better those come from Europe than elsewhere. Not quite sure what point you are making. This link provides the facts. [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Dec 19 11.11pm

Originally posted by Matov

I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed.

Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this.

I get why we need more migrants coming into the country, a stance that puts me at odds with many on the Leave side. And it is for the best that those come from EU nations for a variety of reasons. Problem with the Left is that they try and soft-coat the issue rather than being honest with people.

If you would rather have two holidays a year and a new car every three rather than make the sacrifice and have kids then the UK needs to find new blood from somewhere. Better those come from Europe than elsewhere.

Not quite sure what point you are making. This link provides the facts.

[Link]

Matov 11 Dec 19 11.16pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Not quite sure what point you are making. This link provides the facts. [Link] A bit confused. I never mentioned 'health tourism'. Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick? I was referring to the wider net figure concerning taxation collected v state expenditure. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

11 Dec 19 11.16pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not quite sure what point you are making. This link provides the facts.

[Link]

A bit confused. I never mentioned 'health tourism'. Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick?

I was referring to the wider net figure concerning taxation collected v state expenditure.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 19 11.23pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I might ask Alexa to wake me up if anything interesting happens Sounds like you have a young 5th missus. You a sugar daddy? COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Dec 19 11.23pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I might ask Alexa to wake me up if anything interesting happens

Sounds like you have a young 5th missus. You a sugar daddy?

COYP

Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 19 11.24pm
Originally posted by Matov A bit confused. I never mentioned 'health tourism'. Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick? I was referring to the wider net figure concerning taxation collected v state expenditure. Is this more what you had in mind? [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Dec 19 11.24pm

Originally posted by Matov

A bit confused. I never mentioned 'health tourism'. Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick?

I was referring to the wider net figure concerning taxation collected v state expenditure.

Is this more what you had in mind?

[Link]

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 19 11.25pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Good call. I used to stay up late but can't be bothered these days. The bits I like best on election night is the MPs who get it wildly wrong. It's 5 mins to go before the polls close what do you think "Landslide for my party". 4am in the morning "humble pie anyone?" Paddy Ashdown never did eat his hat. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Dec 19 11.25pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Good call. I used to stay up late but can't be bothered these days. The bits I like best on election night is the MPs who get it wildly wrong. It's 5 mins to go before the polls close what do you think "Landslide for my party". 4am in the morning "humble pie anyone?"

Paddy Ashdown never did eat his hat.

COYP

Matov 11 Dec 19 11.29pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Is this more what you had in mind? [Link] Certainly far more in line and I believe the same people have done more detailed research about the specific impact of EU citizens in terms of taxation. As I said, why Remainers never made more of this I struggle to understand outside of perhaps them not wanting to draw attention to the negative contribution of those not from the EU. But I am fully of the opinion that the UK needs more people to come and not only work but settle here and that we are far better off with that migration being primarily European. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

11 Dec 19 11.29pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Is this more what you had in mind?

[Link]

Certainly far more in line and I believe the same people have done more detailed research about the specific impact of EU citizens in terms of taxation.

As I said, why Remainers never made more of this I struggle to understand outside of perhaps them not wanting to draw attention to the negative contribution of those not from the EU.

But I am fully of the opinion that the UK needs more people to come and not only work but settle here and that we are far better off with that migration being primarily European.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 12.02am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Paddy Ashdown never did eat his hat. Thank you I had forgotten his name. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 12.02am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Paddy Ashdown never did eat his hat.

Thank you I had forgotten his name.

One more point

Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 19 12.17am
Originally posted by Matov Certainly far more in line and I believe the same people have done more detailed research about the specific impact of EU citizens in terms of taxation. As I said, why Remainers never made more of this I struggle to understand outside of perhaps them not wanting to draw attention to the negative contribution of those not from the EU. But I am fully of the opinion that the UK needs more people to come and not only work but settle here and that we are far better off with that migration being primarily European. I think I probably agree with why you feel we would be better off with migration from Europe rather than cultures or a religion so different to ours, however, the problem I had from the very word go was that the original migration sucked up all the career trades by east Europeans with bosses more than okay with never training a single British youngster ever again, and that has come out in the referendum. As far as integrating into society goes, I don’t see the problems ahead as we’re seeing with some other isolated communities by choice, but that said, I don’t think the situation of status quo is a very acceptable one for people who voted leave because they feel they’ve been shelved or filed under ‘what’s the point of you when someone non British in Britain is economically more beneficial.’ COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Dec 19 12.17am

Originally posted by Matov

Certainly far more in line and I believe the same people have done more detailed research about the specific impact of EU citizens in terms of taxation.

As I said, why Remainers never made more of this I struggle to understand outside of perhaps them not wanting to draw attention to the negative contribution of those not from the EU.

But I am fully of the opinion that the UK needs more people to come and not only work but settle here and that we are far better off with that migration being primarily European.

I think I probably agree with why you feel we would be better off with migration from Europe rather than cultures or a religion so different to ours, however, the problem I had from the very word go was that the original migration sucked up all the career trades by east Europeans with bosses more than okay with never training a single British youngster ever again, and that has come out in the referendum. As far as integrating into society goes, I don’t see the problems ahead as we’re seeing with some other isolated communities by choice, but that said, I don’t think the situation of status quo is a very acceptable one for people who voted leave because they feel they’ve been shelved or filed under ‘what’s the point of you when someone non British in Britain is economically more beneficial.’

COYP

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 2.35am
Well, here we are, very soon we will see if the polls were accurate. Attachment: polls.JPG (108.34Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 2.35am

Well, here we are, very soon we will see if the polls were accurate.

Attachment: polls.JPG (108.34Kb)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

dannyboy1978 12 Dec 19 5.21am
Originally posted by Matov I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed. Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this. I get why we need more migrants coming into the country, a stance that puts me at odds with many on the Leave side. And it is for the best that those come from EU nations for a variety of reasons. Problem with the Left is that they try and soft-coat the issue rather than being honest with people. If you would rather have two holidays a year and a new car every three rather than make the sacrifice and have kids then the UK needs to find new blood from somewhere. Better those come from Europe than elsewhere. On average both parents have to work,! Can you see the issue?

dannyboy1978

12 Dec 19 5.21am

Originally posted by Matov

I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed.

Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this.

If you would rather have two holidays a year and a new car every three rather than make the sacrifice and have kids then the UK needs to find new blood from somewhere. Better those come from Europe than elsewhere.

On average both parents have to work,! Can you see the issue?

Midlands Eagle 12 Dec 19 6.15am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Sounds like you have a young 5th missus. You a sugar daddy? Blimey. Are you keeping count?

Midlands Eagle

12 Dec 19 6.15am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sounds like you have a young 5th missus. You a sugar daddy?

Blimey. Are you keeping count?

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 19 8.18am
Originally posted by Willo Vote CONSERVATIVE tomorrow and stop Corbyn entering No 10.He is a marxist, an IRA supporter and a friend of other terrorist organisations, whose is hell-bent on overthrowing capitalism and inflicting his ruinous policies on our great nation. His 'Change' is a recipe for ruin,nationalise utilities,soak businesses and middle earners with new taxes and fund a National Investment Bank with £250 BILLION of borrowed money. Not forgetting confiscating 10% of shares in large companies etc etc etc.It really is the economics of the madhouse.Labour would plunge this country into the abyss.Comrade Corbyn would be in coalition with the SNP, hell-bent on breaking up the union. Corbyn would destroy our economy and great country so I would urge one and all to vote CONSERVATIVE tomorrow.A vote for anyone else is a vote for Corbyn's marxist nightmare and a further dither and delay over Brexit with the affect this has on business. Nothing more to add - I have a very busy day tomorrow. Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2019 11.04pm) Your last battle call and not even one mention of what the Tories are offering - I think that says it all.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 12 Dec 19 8.18am

Originally posted by Willo

Vote CONSERVATIVE tomorrow and stop Corbyn entering No 10.He is a marxist, an IRA supporter and a friend of other terrorist organisations, whose is hell-bent on overthrowing capitalism and inflicting his ruinous policies on our great nation.

His 'Change' is a recipe for ruin,nationalise utilities,soak businesses and middle earners with new taxes and fund a National Investment Bank with £250 BILLION of borrowed money. Not forgetting confiscating 10% of shares in large companies etc etc etc.It really is the economics of the madhouse.Labour would plunge this country into the abyss.Comrade Corbyn would be in coalition with the SNP, hell-bent on breaking up the union.

Corbyn would destroy our economy and great country so I would urge one and all to vote CONSERVATIVE tomorrow.A vote for anyone else is a vote for Corbyn's marxist nightmare and a further dither and delay over Brexit with the affect this has on business.

Nothing more to add - I have a very busy day tomorrow.

Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2019 11.04pm)

Your last battle call and not even one mention of what the Tories are offering - I think that says it all.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 8.34am
Well here we are and I suspect most of us are probably thinking thank god if I see one more politician on the TV.... Anyway please get out and vote for whichever liar you think fits your beliefs. Whilst I am looking forward to the result I am also curious to know what happens to the defectors. Many of course cut and run knowing they would be trounced by an angry electorate however I hope some journalist will do an article about how each of the remainers (geddit) fared. And for god's sake can we please have a clear winner we do not need another hung parliament. Still all to play for, well for the next 12 hours anyway. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 8.34am

Well here we are and I suspect most of us are probably thinking thank god if I see one more politician on the TV....

Anyway please get out and vote for whichever liar you think fits your beliefs.

Whilst I am looking forward to the result I am also curious to know what happens to the defectors. Many of course cut and run knowing they would be trounced by an angry electorate however I hope some journalist will do an article about how each of the remainers (geddit) fared.

And for god's sake can we please have a clear winner we do not need another hung parliament.

Still all to play for, well for the next 12 hours anyway.

One more point

Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 8.35am
Why did a conservative lady ask for my polling card number outside the voting station? What data are they collecting and for what purpose? Do all the parties do this? Do they divide the task up between them?

Mapletree

Croydon 12 Dec 19 8.35am

Why did a conservative lady ask for my polling card number outside the voting station? What data are they collecting and for what purpose? Do all the parties do this? Do they divide the task up between them?

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 19 8.37am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Your last battle call and not even one mention of what the Tories are offering - I think that says it all. The Conservative policies have been well documented for all to see and I really don't have to repeat the manifesto on HOL. My comments were made to illustrate my disdain for Corbyn and the Labour party.We really cannot sleepwalk into a catastrophe and plunge our great nation into the greatest crisis since the war. On that note I have to depart as I have a long and busy day ahead of me so no time to engage in any debate on HOL.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 19 8.37am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Your last battle call and not even one mention of what the Tories are offering - I think that says it all.

The Conservative policies have been well documented for all to see and I really don't have to repeat the manifesto on HOL.

My comments were made to illustrate my disdain for Corbyn and the Labour party.We really cannot sleepwalk into a catastrophe and plunge our great nation into the greatest crisis since the war.

On that note I have to depart as I have a long and busy day ahead of me so no time to engage in any debate on HOL.

Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 8.38am
Originally posted by Badger11 Well here we are and I suspect most of us are probably thinking thank god if I see one more politician on the TV.... Anyway please get out and vote for whichever liar you think fits your beliefs. Whilst I am looking forward to the result I am also curious to know what happens to the defectors. Many of course cut and run knowing they would be trounced by an angry electorate however I hope some journalist will do an article about how each of the remainers (geddit) fared. And for god's sake can we please have a clear winner we do not need another hung parliament. Still all to play for, well for the next 12 hours anyway. Wanting a majority government implies you trust the leadership of your chosen party, given they will be unfettered

Mapletree

Croydon 12 Dec 19 8.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

Well here we are and I suspect most of us are probably thinking thank god if I see one more politician on the TV....

Anyway please get out and vote for whichever liar you think fits your beliefs.

Still all to play for, well for the next 12 hours anyway.

Wanting a majority government implies you trust the leadership of your chosen party, given they will be unfettered

W12 12 Dec 19 8.52am
Originally posted by Matov I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed. Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this. I get why we need more migrants coming into the country, a stance that puts me at odds with many on the Leave side. And it is for the best that those come from EU nations for a variety of reasons. Problem with the Left is that they try and soft-coat the issue rather than being honest with people. If you would rather have two holidays a year and a new car every three rather than make the sacrifice and have kids then the UK needs to find new blood from somewhere. Better those come from Europe than elsewhere. We get very few immigrants that are native europeans whether they come via the EU or otherwise. You only need to use your eyes to see that. The arguament that we need these people or have a duty to take them in is a huge lie.

W12 12 Dec 19 8.52am

Originally posted by Matov

I actually have some sympathy with the rest of your post but this particular point has to be addressed.

Some Immigrants pay into the system. Ones from the EU for example contribute more than they take out. But others do not. Never quite understood why the Remain types never made more of this.

We get very few immigrants that are native europeans whether they come via the EU or otherwise. You only need to use your eyes to see that. The arguament that we need these people or have a duty to take them in is a huge lie.

CrazyBadger Ware 12 Dec 19 9.09am
Originally posted by Willo The Conservative policies have been well documented for all to see and I really don't have to repeat the manifesto on HOL. My comments were made to illustrate my disdain for Corbyn and the Labour party.We really cannot sleepwalk into a catastrophe and plunge our great nation into the greatest crisis since the war. On that note I have to depart as I have a long and busy day ahead of me so no time to engage in any debate on HOL. with all due respect, this election campaign - more than any I can remember - has focused more on throwing sh1t at the opposition parties than actually stating their policies... "The best of a bad bunch" has never seemed so apt. though im not sure there is a "best". "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 12 Dec 19 9.09am

Originally posted by Willo

The Conservative policies have been well documented for all to see and I really don't have to repeat the manifesto on HOL.

My comments were made to illustrate my disdain for Corbyn and the Labour party.We really cannot sleepwalk into a catastrophe and plunge our great nation into the greatest crisis since the war.

On that note I have to depart as I have a long and busy day ahead of me so no time to engage in any debate on HOL.

with all due respect, this election campaign - more than any I can remember - has focused more on throwing sh1t at the opposition parties than actually stating their policies...

"The best of a bad bunch" has never seemed so apt.
though im not sure there is a "best".

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 19 9.15am
Originally posted by W12 We get very few immigrants that are native europeans whether they come via the EU or otherwise. You only need to use your eyes to see that. The arguament that we need these people or have a duty to take them in is a huge lie. Yeh, madness to think that many of our immigrants are e.g. Polish, Lithuanian or Romanian. Or indeed Italian, French, German or Greek. Boris says there are a quarter of a million French in London but still, what does he know?

Mapletree

Croydon 12 Dec 19 9.15am

Originally posted by W12

Yeh, madness to think that many of our immigrants are e.g. Polish, Lithuanian or Romanian. Or indeed Italian, French, German or Greek.

Boris says there are a quarter of a million French in London but still, what does he know?

DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 9.21am
Originally posted by cryrst How I see it matov. You generally only have 2 or 3 'real' mates, The rest are aquaintencies. They wont do what your 'friends' did Haha, this explains a lot.

DanH

SW2 12 Dec 19 9.21am

Originally posted by cryrst

How I see it matov.
You generally only have 2 or 3 'real' mates,
The rest are aquaintencies.
They wont do what your 'friends' did

Haha, this explains a lot.

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