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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The Delay vote was carried by one vote but that was sufficient.
Personally I think the only way to settle this now though is a General Election. There is simply no way any deal goes through with May as PM and the House arrayed as it is. We need a GE with all political parties standing on specific manifesto promises with regards to Brexit. If they want to pronounce themselves in favour of a second referendum or No Deal then lets have it out in the open. And people can vote accordingly.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I am aware that you like the glass half empty interpretation but you and I have no real idea how Brexit will work out in terms of the economy and therefore, in reality, we are left to choose sides based on wider ideological issues. You might prefer the Star Trek version of the future with a world government, no real nation states, and racial harmony but in reality that seems like a far less pleasant idea when you consider that before we ever get there (we won't) there will be a population crisis ultimately causing a breakdown of society and before that, decades of religious and cultural friction and a reduction in personal wealth created by freedom of movement and automation. We will also have no say on our futures since we will be reduced to corporate drones with no influence on a centralised government who feed us what they want us to know or believe. Captain Kirk would probably a low paid Asian who grew up in a Shanti town and the Enterprise would never leave dock because deep space travel will only done by robots built in China by other robots. Sounds like you are going full pentavorate here, Hrolf.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
It's a lose / lose situation That's why we had a referendum. It's not a hard notion to understand.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
In Ireland we got to vote on it twice. We made the wrong decision the first time so had to be educated and then vote again until we got it right. in Ireland we got vote-raped. When we said 'No' the EU said we were just being difficult and pressed on regardless. Never forget just how evil and pushy the EU are.
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
That's why we had a referendum. It's not a hard notion to understand. What is harder to understand is how to deliver on the referendum. 1021 days have passed since that fateful night and we are precisely zero percent closer to enacting Brexit.
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
in Ireland we got vote-raped. When we said 'No' the EU said we were just being difficult and pressed on regardless. Never forget just how evil and pushy the EU are. Really,? The general consensus in Ireland in 70-90% like being in the EU Euroscepticism seems to be only an English phenomenon
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
What is harder to understand is how to deliver on the referendum. 1021 days have passed since that fateful night and we are precisely zero percent closer to enacting Brexit. It's not hard to understand at all. My brochure that cost the government 9 million said we would leave, nothing about a deal. TM said no deal is better than a bad deal, her deal is terrible.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Really,? The general consensus in Ireland in 70-90% like being in the EU Euroscepticism seems to be only an English phenomenon Really? In the first vote in Ireland 53.4% voted no.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Really,? The general consensus in Ireland in 70-90% like being in the EU Euroscepticism seems to be only an English phenomenon Even your lefty friends in the Guardian think you are wrong there PP. Do try to keep up.
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Even your lefty friends in the Guardian think you are wrong there PP. Do try to keep up. So one journalist's opinion from 2008 trumps opinion polls around 2016 to 2019?
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So one journalist's opinion from 2008 trumps opinion polls around 2016 to 2019? And yours trumps over 17m voters in the same timescale.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Sounds like you are going full pentavorate here, Hrolf. I'm quite happy for you to mock but I suggest you use that time to consider how unrealistic your vision of the future is. Humans are in perpetual competition with each other and with capitalism and naked aggression, power and wealth ultimately end up in the hand of fewer and fewer people. The big dogs eat all the others. There is no way we will have a utopia because without their minions, how will the rich and powerful stay that way? They need 90% of the world to remain poor to keep themselves rich. Consider diamonds. They are abundant and of no real use other than in industry but yet people die mining them in terrible conditions so others can pay a fortune just to wear them. Do you really want to help speed this process along? The average European has nothing to gain from globalism. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Apr 2019 3.13pm)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Apr 2019 3.13pm) apart from tons of uneducated men from the Third World as neighbours. Living 50 to a house and driving up property prices. The average middle aged European woman gains a dozen new suitors to be her boyfriend. The average 25 year old European woman gets multiple times more attention. Such is globalism. South London : The fact that at least half the blokes from the third world have abandoned a wife and kids back in their home country is conveniently forgotten.
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Originally posted by becky
Here's a little analogy for you: if you had lots of sticks in the garden with string all twisted through them, knotted and doubled back, which would be easier - to cut the string, pull it all out and replace it or to spend several days trying to untie it in one piece and re-roll it into a neat ball? Life is often like a piece of string! This is possibly the most facile analogy I’ve ever heard.
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Originally posted by corkery
We had one vote ever on it and passed it by a very large majority. Okay, I got the Treaty wrong: the Lisbon Treaty 2009? was the twice one - around only a year between them. I voted no the first time - it was done again. I didn't bother voting as it was clear what the agenda was. Have the referendum until we get the correct result.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Switzerland’s supreme court has overturned a nationwide referendum for the first time in the country’s modern history, on the grounds that the information given to voters was insufficient. For 'information given to voters being insufficient' read 'a load of lies'.......
What has a Swiss court to do with the UK? If you want to play that game then we should be like Chile they overthrew a democratically elected left wing government back in the seventies, should we follow that example as well? If you believe that the referendum was a fix by all means take your case to the courts and present your evidence. No doubts others will contest that.
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Originally posted by Badger11
What has a Swiss court to do with the UK? If you want to play that game then we should be like Chile they overthrew a democratically elected left wing government back in the seventies, should we follow that example as well? If you believe that the referendum was a fix by all means take your case to the courts and present your evidence. No doubts others will contest that. It was a fix the electoral commission has already found it so. Leave campaign appeal has been withdrawn. The over-spend of dubious money influenced the vote in favour of leave in the last 24 hours. 'Fromage not Farage'
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It was a fix the electoral commission has already found it so. Leave campaign appeal has been withdrawn. The over-spend of dubious money influenced the vote in favour of leave in the last 24 hours. 'Fromage not Farage' The same electoral commission who found £80,000 worth of missing receipts from the remain campaign?
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