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seltz85 Flag Sydney 09 Mar 14 2.05am Send a Private Message to seltz85 Add seltz85 as a friend

Having just watched the Southampton game I am extremely frustrated at a couple of things. Before I get into that I want to make it clear that I think Pulis is doing an incredible job and we are punching well above our weight and honestly today we were beaten by a better team.

What irks me though is firstly KG and Punch. KG is in the team to sit next to Jedi and break up the play. When Ledley was in that position that is what he did, he sat there, broke up play and looked to pass the ball on. Today Ledley half the time was behind KG defending just outside our box! He was supposed to be the man supporting Murray not doing KG's job as well. I really think we missed the chance to play Ince behind Murray with Ledley playing those two in. We saw against West Brom that Ince will take a chance and get beyond the striker which would have offered something for Fonte and Lovren to think about and I really think we could have got amongst them like that.
Punch. I was very critical of him when he first came to Palace. He then made me eat my words completely but as someone has said on a different post we can't have players that don't fight week in, week out. We can't have him fire 2 weeks then one week put in a show like yesterday and potentially lose us a game. Barry Bannan gave 150% every time he was on the park, maybe it is time for him to come in, we will def get some better crosses out of him.

Secondly, why do we give other teams top players so much time on the ball Against Newcastle we let Cabaye do what he wanted and look what happened. Yesterday we let Lallana do what he wanted and he bossed the game completely. Yes he is an annoying bell end always in the refs ear, but get close to him, hassle him and he wont have the effect on the game that he did. at times we gave him the freedom of Selhurst, no wonder he has time to go and talk to the ref! If we got up at him and put hte pressure on him then he would concentrate more on what he had to do and get frustrated about it, rather than have time to watch everything that goes on and talk to Howard Webb complain and moan all the time.

Thirdly, why do we start so slowly. Yes I know we are up against teams that are technically better than us. Bust these tehniocally better teams hound us, put us under pressure and force mistakes. Why do we allow teams with players that can pick us apart to do just that! First half last week for example, we made an average Swansea team look like the team they were last season, second half we battered them and should have beaten them. Today, if we had gone at Saints would their hearts really have been in it? They are safe, are not qualifying for europe and are away from home. At home yes, they will put a show on for their fans, but away against a team that should be like rabid dogs for points they looked like they were the ones that needed it more.

Yes Howard Webb was awful today but he was not the reason we lost, we really missed a trick there and this is the first time that I have questioned TP's decisions. He has got us where we are so he certainly knows what he is doing but I think he got it wrong today.

Huge game next week against Sunderland. If we can get at them rather than make them look like Chelsea for the first half we can beat them and beat them well. I think a few players have got comfortable that they are going to play without having to perform and yesterday shows what happens when that mentality is there. I would love to see Bannan int he side and Ince behind Murray with Ledley partnering Jedi, and have them go at Sunderland like we went at Swansea second half from the off. We go a goal up, their crowd will not like it and they will come at us which wil allow us to then hit ont he counter attack and it could be taylor made for someone like Gayle to come on with 25 to go as well.

I am glad I got that out there, not all of you will agree but just my thoughts

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 09 Mar 14 3.04am Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Unfortunately both Sunderland and Newcastle like to pass the ball, so we will set up exactly the same as we have in the last three games, allowing them to have the ball and invite them to break us down. Unless we can score more we will not stay up and we are so piss poor at set pieces that I don't see how our default set up will allow us to score goals.

 


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south coast eagle Flag Rustington West Sussex 09 Mar 14 5.24am Send a Private Message to south coast eagle Add south coast eagle as a friend

Quote seltz85 at 09 Mar 2014 2.05am

Having just watched the Southampton game I am extremely frustrated at a couple of things. Before I get into that I want to make it clear that I think Pulis is doing an incredible job and we are punching well above our weight and honestly today we were beaten by a better team.

What irks me though is firstly KG and Punch. KG is in the team to sit next to Jedi and break up the play. When Ledley was in that position that is what he did, he sat there, broke up play and looked to pass the ball on. Today Ledley half the time was behind KG defending just outside our box! He was supposed to be the man supporting Murray not doing KG's job as well. I really think we missed the chance to play Ince behind Murray with Ledley playing those two in. We saw against West Brom that Ince will take a chance and get beyond the striker which would have offered something for Fonte and Lovren to think about and I really think we could have got amongst them like that.
Punch. I was very critical of him when he first came to Palace. He then made me eat my words completely but as someone has said on a different post we can't have players that don't fight week in, week out. We can't have him fire 2 weeks then one week put in a show like yesterday and potentially lose us a game. Barry Bannan gave 150% every time he was on the park, maybe it is time for him to come in, we will def get some better crosses out of him.

Secondly, why do we give other teams top players so much time on the ball Against Newcastle we let Cabaye do what he wanted and look what happened. Yesterday we let Lallana do what he wanted and he bossed the game completely. Yes he is an annoying bell end always in the refs ear, but get close to him, hassle him and he wont have the effect on the game that he did. at times we gave him the freedom of Selhurst, no wonder he has time to go and talk to the ref! If we got up at him and put hte pressure on him then he would concentrate more on what he had to do and get frustrated about it, rather than have time to watch everything that goes on and talk to Howard Webb complain and moan all the time.

Thirdly, why do we start so slowly. Yes I know we are up against teams that are technically better than us. Bust these tehniocally better teams hound us, put us under pressure and force mistakes. Why do we allow teams with players that can pick us apart to do just that! First half last week for example, we made an average Swansea team look like the team they were last season, second half we battered them and should have beaten them. Today, if we had gone at Saints would their hearts really have been in it? They are safe, are not qualifying for europe and are away from home. At home yes, they will put a show on for their fans, but away against a team that should be like rabid dogs for points they looked like they were the ones that needed it more.

Yes Howard Webb was awful today but he was not the reason we lost, we really missed a trick there and this is the first time that I have questioned TP's decisions. He has got us where we are so he certainly knows what he is doing but I think he got it wrong today.

Huge game next week against Sunderland. If we can get at them rather than make them look like Chelsea for the first half we can beat them and beat them well. I think a few players have got comfortable that they are going to play without having to perform and yesterday shows what happens when that mentality is there. I would love to see Bannan int he side and Ince behind Murray with Ledley partnering Jedi, and have them go at Sunderland like we went at Swansea second half from the off. We go a goal up, their crowd will not like it and they will come at us which wil allow us to then hit ont he counter attack and it could be taylor made for someone like Gayle to come on with 25 to go as well.

I am glad I got that out there, not all of you will agree but just my thoughts

Absolutely spot on

 


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Andy_G Flag Wimbledon 09 Mar 14 7.26am Send a Private Message to Andy_G Add Andy_G as a friend

Very good OP.

Sunderland will be a tough tough game and I'll be surprised if we get anything. For me April is a massive month, we'll be low on confidence after a painful March and the Cardiff &Villa games are season definers. Fingers crossed we get to Fulham with it in our own hands, they will be down and we may just sneak it.

 


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thegreatlardino Flag crawley/selsey 09 Mar 14 7.36am Send a Private Message to thegreatlardino Add thegreatlardino as a friend

good post....i do wonder what the issue with bannan is though, wonder if there is something going behind the scenes we dont know about...

 


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dannyb1 Flag Chichester 09 Mar 14 7.51am Send a Private Message to dannyb1 Add dannyb1 as a friend

Good points but on your third I thought for the first 15-20 mins we had turned into a new team and finally cracked some of the basics in pressing, passing, creating spaces and NO HOOFBALL.
Then we just let it go to s*** again, KG was just a spectator and thought we should have had Ledley next to jedi and Jerome before Punch at least he was putting some balls in the box.
In Moxey we don't really have a LB that likes/looks comfertable to overlap, Punch drifts and gives Ward too much to do with attacks from the right.
What I can't get into my head is you look at other teams like southampton and they can play a ball via any part of themselves and find a team mate in space, we get the ball with maybe 2 of our own trying to get there foot to it bumping into each other or try a pass of 10 yards and just lose possesion again.
It's time we get the basics right and get back to them.

 

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TulseHillEagle Flag Tulse Hill 09 Mar 14 8.38am Send a Private Message to TulseHillEagle Add TulseHillEagle as a friend

Completely agree with all points made by the OP. We need to hurry up teams much more,iam praying Bannan starts the next games or atleast comes on second half.
Puncheon has previously had a few good games,but it's time he gets rested.

 


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TrickyBoy Flag Vietnam 09 Mar 14 9.01am Send a Private Message to TrickyBoy Add TrickyBoy as a friend

Sorry but Puncheon is not good enough at this level. Ok, so he did score two good goals for important points but done little since. I also think there are a couple of others whose position should be in doubt …

Oh and please stop letting Jedi take free kicks … woeful!

(Bring back the Bannan!!)

 

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jamwom1971eagle Flag west norwood 09 Mar 14 9.09am Send a Private Message to jamwom1971eagle Add jamwom1971eagle as a friend

Everyone on HOL and at the game seem to agree with the KG-Puncheon-Bannan and general style of play problems,if the 20,000+ can see it,wht can't TP?If he gets tunnel vision and feels the system he is playing is the right one to stay up,we could be in for a painful end to the season!.

 

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goodersgold Flag Hastings 09 Mar 14 9.10am

Quote Andy_G at 09 Mar 2014 7.26am

Very good OP.

Sunderland will be a tough tough game and I'll be surprised if we get anything. For me April is a massive month, we'll be low on confidence after a painful March and the Cardiff &Villa games are season definers. Fingers crossed we get to Fulham with it in our own hands, they will be down and we may just sneak it.


It will be tough and we need to all get behind the team,it baffles me how we have sold 2,000 for Newcastle in 2 weeks but only just over a 1,000 for sunderland.
Are we here for a premiership jolly or serious about backing the team?
They are going to need it in every game as our away fixtures are what's going to keep us in the premier league

 


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WelshEagle Flag London 09 Mar 14 9.11am Send a Private Message to WelshEagle Add WelshEagle as a friend

We broke down play and then didn't have a clue what to do with it. Agree with OP's points. But Puncheon was playing wide and asked to track back a lot which he did a good job of for the most part. He's not effective there though. If you play him then it needs to be in the hole IMO.

Need change of tactics otherwise we're going down. Let's hope Pukis feels the same.

 

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Tidd99 Flag East Sussex 09 Mar 14 9.14am Send a Private Message to Tidd99 Add Tidd99 as a friend

Honest question.. Does anyone know why Joel Ward takes corners? I'm yet to see him take a good one plus he's a big guy and great in the air it would be better to have him in the box

 


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