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TheJudge 12 Jun 15 1.53pm
[Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.
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12 Jun 15 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

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npn Crowborough 12 Jun 15 2.05pm
Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.
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Crowborough 12 Jun 15 2.05pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.

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Ouzo Dan 12 Jun 15 2.13pm
Of course Dawkins is a hero. Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time
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Ouzo Dan 12 Jun 15 2.13pm

Of course Dawkins is a hero.

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Ouzo Dan 12 Jun 15 2.15pm
Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion. He never said that though did he? He later elaborated that discovering your unborn child had a genetic disease leaves the parents with a difficult decision to face, surely pro choice is what we all want isnt it? Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time
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Ouzo Dan 12 Jun 15 2.15pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.

He never said that though did he?
He later elaborated that discovering your unborn child had a genetic disease leaves the parents with a difficult decision to face, surely pro choice is what we all want isnt it?

Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time

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derben 12 Jun 15 2.15pm
Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. I read most of the God Delusion (gave up before the finish though). I thought his ideas were poorly argued, almost made me take religion more seriously.
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12 Jun 15 2.15pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

I read most of the God Delusion (gave up before the finish though). I thought his ideas were poorly argued, almost made me take religion more seriously.

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npn Crowborough 12 Jun 15 2.19pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion. He never said that though did he? He later elaborated that discovering your unborn child had a genetic disease leaves the parents with a difficult decision to face, surely pro choice is what we all want isnt it? "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice." Sounds pretty categorical.
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Crowborough 12 Jun 15 2.19pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.

"Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

Sounds pretty categorical.

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johnfirewall 12 Jun 15 2.31pm
Clever bloke. The Internet was seemingly invented for him, or at least social media and its descent to complete irrationality. Stands by his views. Can't see him resigning over some daft sexist comment. Interesting article about what he had for dinner and his home decor. Did the writer actually get to the point? Because I didn't. Edited by johnfirewall (12 Jun 2015 2.34pm)
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johnfirewall

12 Jun 15 2.31pm

Clever bloke.

The Internet was seemingly invented for him, or at least social media and its descent to complete irrationality.

Stands by his views. Can't see him resigning over some daft sexist comment.

Interesting article about what he had for dinner and his home decor. Did the writer actually get to the point? Because I didn't.

Edited by johnfirewall (12 Jun 2015 2.34pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 15 2.56pm
I quite like him and read a lot of his books. Personally I don't really rate the God Delusion that much, he's clumsy with his theological and philosophical arguments and relies to heavily on semantics and rhetoric; falling into the same mistaken approach that Creationists do with evolution - they clearly don't understand what they're arguing against, and end up arguing against something entirely different. Now the 'Blind Watchmaker' makes the arguments much better, by sticking to a subject he clearly understands and you won't find a much better primer on Evolution than this and the 'Selfish Gene'. In fact the Blind Watchmaker is one of the best defenses of Evolution ever produced. Creationism doesn't need evidence to disprove, it immediately fail due to it being an attempt to present unscientific theory as a scientific theory. Similarly with intelligent design (Dawkins and many others have long since proved these to be unscientific and thus invalid science theories). Unfortunately Dawkins seems to have embraced the role of poster boy for atheism, and has increasingly found himself drawn into a slagging match, rather than argument. His initial issues with religion were valid, his later decent into a more adversarial atheist, undermine what was a valid argument. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Jun 15 2.56pm

I quite like him and read a lot of his books. Personally I don't really rate the God Delusion that much, he's clumsy with his theological and philosophical arguments and relies to heavily on semantics and rhetoric; falling into the same mistaken approach that Creationists do with evolution - they clearly don't understand what they're arguing against, and end up arguing against something entirely different.

Now the 'Blind Watchmaker' makes the arguments much better, by sticking to a subject he clearly understands and you won't find a much better primer on Evolution than this and the 'Selfish Gene'. In fact the Blind Watchmaker is one of the best defenses of Evolution ever produced.

Creationism doesn't need evidence to disprove, it immediately fail due to it being an attempt to present unscientific theory as a scientific theory. Similarly with intelligent design (Dawkins and many others have long since proved these to be unscientific and thus invalid science theories). Unfortunately Dawkins seems to have embraced the role of poster boy for atheism, and has increasingly found himself drawn into a slagging match, rather than argument.

His initial issues with religion were valid, his later decent into a more adversarial atheist, undermine what was a valid argument.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 15 2.59pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion. He never said that though did he? He later elaborated that discovering your unborn child had a genetic disease leaves the parents with a difficult decision to face, surely pro choice is what we all want isnt it? Pretty much, of course its his opinion. Its not necessarily an entirely flawed one, given that a lot of people do opt for an abortion on discovering Downs Syndrome. Then again he's very keen on evolutionary psychology, which generally given to such 'morality' (as its based in biology, its divorced from the idea of the individual - so from the perspective he's arguing its a species based moral imperative not a individual personal ethical one). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Jun 15 2.59pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.

Pretty much, of course its his opinion. Its not necessarily an entirely flawed one, given that a lot of people do opt for an abortion on discovering Downs Syndrome. Then again he's very keen on evolutionary psychology, which generally given to such 'morality' (as its based in biology, its divorced from the idea of the individual - so from the perspective he's arguing its a species based moral imperative not a individual personal ethical one).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 15 3.02pm
Also he's 74 year old man, it shouldn't be entirely surprising if he isn't a bit sexist or otherwise holding of prejudiced values. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Jun 15 3.02pm

Also he's 74 year old man, it shouldn't be entirely surprising if he isn't a bit sexist or otherwise holding of prejudiced values.

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Ouzo Dan 12 Jun 15 3.16pm
Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.19pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion. He never said that though did he? He later elaborated that discovering your unborn child had a genetic disease leaves the parents with a difficult decision to face, surely pro choice is what we all want isnt it? "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice." Sounds pretty categorical. Happy to give you this round but his opinion was expanded on, think about how much of a disadvantage a child born with downs faces vs a child without, this is the crux of Dawkins argument in a majority of cases people with downs are pushed to the fringes of society & forgotten about. Sex Panther 60% of the time it works every time
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Ouzo Dan 12 Jun 15 3.16pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.19pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

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In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.

"Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

Sounds pretty categorical.

Happy to give you this round but his opinion was expanded on, think about how much of a disadvantage a child born with downs faces vs a child without, this is the crux of Dawkins argument in a majority of cases people with downs are pushed to the fringes of society & forgotten about.

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npn Crowborough 12 Jun 15 3.20pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 3.16pm Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.19pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm [Link] In my opinion, he deserves hero status. The God Delusion is a must read. This headline is typical Guardian nonsense. The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion. He never said that though did he? He later elaborated that discovering your unborn child had a genetic disease leaves the parents with a difficult decision to face, surely pro choice is what we all want isnt it? "Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice." Sounds pretty categorical. Happy to give you this round but his opinion was expanded on, think about how much of a disadvantage a child born with downs faces vs a child without, this is the crux of Dawkins argument in a majority of cases people with downs are pushed to the fringes of society & forgotten about. Yes, but he's an expert in evolution - the occasional 'different' offspring surely is a factor in aiding nature to adjust to fit into various niches. Who's to say that downs is not something which may prove advantageous in some as yet undiscovered field? Surely it's up to nature to decide. I could even cope with his personal decision to abort, but to claim it's immoral not to seems to go against nature's way.
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Crowborough 12 Jun 15 3.20pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 3.16pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.19pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Jun 2015 2.15pm

Quote npn at 12 Jun 2015 2.05pm

Quote TheJudge at 12 Jun 2015 1.53pm

[Link]

In my opinion, he deserves hero status.

The God Delusion is a must read.

This headline is typical Guardian nonsense.

The same Richard Dawkins who wanted all Downs babies aborted? Yes - proper hero, full of compassion.

"Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice."

Sounds pretty categorical.

Yes, but he's an expert in evolution - the occasional 'different' offspring surely is a factor in aiding nature to adjust to fit into various niches. Who's to say that downs is not something which may prove advantageous in some as yet undiscovered field? Surely it's up to nature to decide.

I could even cope with his personal decision to abort, but to claim it's immoral not to seems to go against nature's way.

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