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I f*cking hate these people who are so reliant on the state while the rest of us have to make our own way in the world through good honest hard graft.

They're probably just pissing it away on coke, hookers and yachts anyway, the feckless b*stards.

Welfare's gone too far now if you ask me, we're encouraging a culture of dependency based on taxpayer's money, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Jul 15 12.30pm

Quote serial thriller at 08 Jul 2015 12.19pm

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I f*cking hate these people who are so reliant on the state while the rest of us have to make our own way in the world through good honest hard graft.

They're probably just pissing it away on coke, hookers and yachts anyway, the feckless b*stards.

Welfare's gone too far now if you ask me, we're encouraging a culture of dependency based on taxpayer's money, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!


 


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 08 Jul 15 1.32pm

Working people should be made to go round to the homes of people on benefits and give them half of their wages to save them having to go to the benefits office.

Mind you, it would probably take more than one working person's wages to fund the £25,000 (equivalent of a taxable wage of £32,000) that Anjem Choudary receives from the taxation of working people. Terrorist apologist (or worse) Choudary, calls his Job Seekers Allowance, "Jihad Seeker's Allowance".

(Would advise those going to his £450,000 house to wear heavy scarves, in case someone tries to cut their heads off.)

Edited by leggedstruggle (08 Jul 2015 1.35pm)

 


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Quote serial thriller at 08 Jul 2015 12.19pm

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I f*cking hate these people who are so reliant on the state while the rest of us have to make our own way in the world through good honest hard graft.

They're probably just pissing it away on coke, hookers and yachts anyway, the feckless b*stards.

Welfare's gone too far now if you ask me, we're encouraging a culture of dependency based on taxpayer's money, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

"Scum, subhuman scum".

 

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View Pawson Palace's Profile Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 08 Jul 15 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

"Corporate tax benefits: £44bn Of the 93 major tax reliefs provided by the Treasury, 27 are aimed at business. The largest amount was spent allowing businesses to write off billions spent on plants, machinery and equipment among other items."

This is complete guff. We have not actually given them anything. It's not like the big businesses were given a cash benefit this like you would pay benefits to someone claiming. Of course companies should be incentivised to innovate and be competitive. Businesses are allowed to write this back against their tax bill and in some instances R&D costs which are qualifying actually garner a tax credit which even then, will be nowhere near the level that is being talked about in the article. At no point is a cheque being written out.

"The construction industry gained more than £7bn in exemptions on new housing and land duty."

We all say there needs to more affordable new housing, so how do we encourage this? By making the market more attractive for business and investment. It's not exactly rocket science.

"Unlike motorists and the petrol levies they are charged, airlines do not pay tax on fuel – support worth about £8.5bn a year, according to MPs on parliament’s transport select committee. Train companies also enjoy lower duty on fuel."
....and if they were...who would pay for it?? That's right your trip to the Costa Del Sol will suddenly become more expensive. Is this really a benefit to business? Surely even a simpleton can understand the logic that if a product/service costs more to produce the price will almost certainly rise?

People harp on here about job creation, living wages etc. but how is that supposed to happen if firms aren't given support or benefits to spend money on innovation and to be competitive.

Yea, there are some tax dodging b******s companies out there but it's moronic to suggest that these payments don't serve a purpose.

In fact I'd wager that a lot of companies people work for on here have benefitted from these exact benefits. Britain needs to be business friendly, how else is growth going to be achieved?

Edited by Pawson Palace (08 Jul 2015 2.44pm)

 


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So other than general tax breaks the main subsidy they've highlighted is to rail companies, which get people in to work. The rest aren't exactly handouts and to mention what is spent on services from 3rd party contractors is just silly. Surprised they didn't lump bank bailouts in to their bogus sum, but then they'd have had to subtract the return we saw from the resale.

Terrible article.

For purposes of neutrality I'll find a token point to agree with them on. It's a disrace that Wales and Scotland paid Amazon to build their warehouses while but then everyone bemoans the devastation of industrial communities such as in Wales and the North East post Thatcher.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Jul 15 3.12pm

Then again most welfare is in getting people back to work. After all, its called Jobseekers allowance. I wouldn't say that either welfare or subsidy of business are poorly spent or wasted.

The original poster is simply being satirical presenting the concept in the same negative light that welfare is generally presented.

An awful lot of the welfare budget is spent on 'getting people into work' and providing for those injured through work, have retired, are retraining etc. Its just that some people like to focus on the minority. Which is what the original poster is parodying, quite successfully.

Presenting the few as the majority is the problem. There are those who abuse the tax system, and those who abuse the benefits system.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Jul 15 3.15pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 08 Jul 2015 1.32pm

Working people should be made to go round to the homes of people on benefits and give them half of their wages to save them having to go to the benefits office.

Mind you, it would probably take more than one working person's wages to fund the £25,000 (equivalent of a taxable wage of £32,000) that Anjem Choudary receives from the taxation of working people. Terrorist apologist (or worse) Choudary, calls his Job Seekers Allowance, "Jihad Seeker's Allowance".

(Would advise those going to his £450,000 house to wear heavy scarves, in case someone tries to cut their heads off.)

Edited by leggedstruggle (08 Jul 2015 1.35pm)

You mean half my pre-tax income. If you're going to scrap VAT, National Insurance, fuel duty, booze duty, stamp duty, inheritance and income Tax, and instead call it 50%, I think quite a few people would be better off.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Jul 2015 3.12pm

Then again most welfare is in getting people back to work. After all, its called Jobseekers allowance. I wouldn't say that either welfare or subsidy of business are poorly spent or wasted.

The original poster is simply being satirical presenting the concept in the same negative light that welfare is generally presented.

An awful lot of the welfare budget is spent on 'getting people into work' and providing for those injured through work, have retired, are retraining etc. Its just that some people like to focus on the minority. Which is what the original poster is parodying, quite successfully.

Presenting the few as the majority is the problem. There are those who abuse the tax system, and those who abuse the benefits system.

The article is not a parody.

It is probably the most ridiculous, ill thought out and argued piece I've read for a while which is quite an achievement.

I mean the part about public transport being given subsidies almost made me laugh out loud. Who would have thought a public service received government money eh??

The sad part, is judging from the comments, that people actually believe this tripe as much as people on the other end of the spectrum believe that immigration is bad.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Jul 15 3.22pm

Quote johnfirewall at 08 Jul 2015 3.00pm

For purposes of neutrality I'll find a token point to agree with them on. It's a disrace that Wales and Scotland paid Amazon to build their warehouses while but then everyone bemoans the devastation of industrial communities such as in Wales and the North East post Thatcher.

Edited by johnfirewall (08 Jul 2015 3.09pm)

I'd be happy for Government to lend companies money, and receive in return equity in the company or charge reasonable interest on the loans, so that long term the return exceeds the principle, and a profit is turned.

The company would have first 'refusual' on the shares, which would either be sold at cost + depreciation plus interest, or 10% below market rate, dependent on which is higher.

This would allow the initial company to reduce risks of start up, benefit the local community with jobs, provide government with some influence over the company, access to its complete records and of course generate a profit for the state.

It would also allow the state the capacity to buy up shares if necessary in failing companies, without the fiasco of bailouts.


The problem is we try to govern in a manner that is not capitalist, within a capitalist system.


 


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Quote serial thriller at 08 Jul 2015 12.19pm

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I f*cking hate these people who are so reliant on the state while the rest of us have to make our own way in the world through good honest hard graft.

They're probably just pissing it away on coke, hookers and yachts anyway, the feckless b*stards.

Welfare's gone too far now if you ask me, we're encouraging a culture of dependency based on taxpayer's money, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Ignorant Troll

Most people on benefit are IN WORK. Poverty wages subsidized by the state. Now that IS a scandal.

The vast majority of people on this sight are perhaps six pay days from disaster. They lose their jobs and face potential disaster.

Doesn't UKIP have a football site that you can log on to.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Jul 15 3.33pm

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Quote serial thriller at 08 Jul 2015 12.19pm

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I f*cking hate these people who are so reliant on the state while the rest of us have to make our own way in the world through good honest hard graft.

They're probably just pissing it away on coke, hookers and yachts anyway, the feckless b*stards.

Welfare's gone too far now if you ask me, we're encouraging a culture of dependency based on taxpayer's money, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Ignorant Troll

Most people on benefit are IN WORK. Poverty wages subsidized by the state. Now that IS a scandal.

The vast majority of people on this sight are perhaps six pay days from disaster. They lose their jobs and face potential disaster.

Doesn't UKIP have a football site that you can log on to.

Agreed, the minimum wage should always be at least the actual cost of living in an area. Scandalous that some people's wages only just cover housing, food and fuel.

 


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