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 serial thriller  The Promised Land 11 Oct 15 11.33am |
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Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge.
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| oldcodger 11 Oct 15 2.52pm |
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Who knows, but it does always make me laugh when people think the government is their friend or looking out for them. A government's primary objective is to stay in power, which is why you have to be very careful when it comes to handing over freedoms. Turkey censors media coverage of bombings as Twitter and Facebook 'blocked' [Link]
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Kermit8  Hevon 11 Oct 15 2.57pm |
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I have an unbreakable rule: anything in relation to Xmas is banned until December 1st so no comment.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Oct 15 10.59am |
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Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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| Hoof Hearted 12 Oct 15 11.07am | |
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Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
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| DanH SW2 12 Oct 15 11.26am |
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Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
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| Hoof Hearted 12 Oct 15 11.38am | |
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Quote DanH at 12 Oct 2015 11.26am
Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Oct 15 11.40am |
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Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
Its not unheard of, elements of the Italian state colluded with Fascists in the 80s to bomb Bologna station, and the state tried to play it off as the actions of the Red Brigades. 85 people died. But it wasn't actually the state itself, but elements within the state. That said, elements of the far right in Turkey would also be against the idea of peaceful co-existence with the Kurds. The recent airstrikes in Syria would likely put IS or IS aligned factions in the frame. Generally I think governments know they're too inept and beaurcratic to get away with something like this in the modern era (less so maybe in the past).
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Great Northern Loony  Saint Paul 12 Oct 15 12.00pm |
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Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
Here now. He didn't directly accuse the Turkish government of being complicit in the attack; he said he'd talked to a number of Turks who were prepared to place responsibility for it -- or even outright complicity -- into the lap of the AKP government, and there is ample evidence that the Turkish opposition is saying exactly that. This article has some of the most inflammatory stuff: "At the scene of the blast, the shock turned to anger against the government, which was accused by some of having played a role in the attack. Demonstrators assaulted a police car, while police officers shot in the air to disperse an angry crowd. Several government ministers who visited the scene had to beat a hasty retreat after being booed and pelted with water bottles". and, "HDP leader Selahattin Demirtas called the Ankara murders a 'massacre' and an 'attack by our state on our people.' He added President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu need not bother to call him to express their condolence, because he would refuse to talk to them". and, "Lutfu Turkkan, a right-wing lawmaker in parliament, said the spotlight was on Turkey’s main intelligence agency MIT. The Ankara attack 'was either a failure by the intelligence service, or it was done by the intelligence service,' he wrote on Twitter". I, for one, don't find it surprising at all that voices in the Turkish opposition would feel this way about the attack, considering how divisive Erdogan and his government are in that country. I would be a bit surprised to discover actual government complicity in it, but I don't believe it's beyond the pale, and clearly neither do a lot of Turks.
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| DanH SW2 12 Oct 15 12.35pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Oct 2015 11.38am
Quote DanH at 12 Oct 2015 11.26am
Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 12 Oct 15 1.13pm |
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Quote DanH at 12 Oct 2015 11.26am
Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
Now go away bed wetter, the adults are talking.
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| oldcodger 12 Oct 15 4.19pm |
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Quote DanH at 12 Oct 2015 11.26am
Quote dannyh at 12 Oct 2015 10.59am
Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.33am
Surprised there isn't a thread on this already. Bombing at a peace rally killed 90 people yesterday. The government have accused pretty much everyone they wish to demonise, from the Kurds to IS to 'far-left militants', although given that this was a pro-Kurdish, leftist march, chances of it being two of those three are incredibly slim. With an election 3 weeks away, it's certainly increased tensions. I'm in Turkey atm and speaking to a few Turkish people about it there is a general feeling that the governing AKP party, or one of its far-right allies, may have been responsible for the attack. So you may have a democratically-elected government bombing its own people, and considering how crucial Turkey is at the minute for NATO, the high possibility of social conflict in Turkey could be potentially huge. Amazing how you manage to blame it all on far right government killing it's own, I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well ? It was a suicide bomber attack with the main suspect as IS not their own government. FFS do you even read your own posts back sometimes ? Do you not pause and think to yourself "actually that's a load of old crap". Maybe you do but just post it anyway.
When one group are muslims and the other aren't it defaults to 'muslims are to blame'. That's the only acceptable kind of conspiracy now I'm afraid!
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