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View sitdownstandup's Profile sitdownstandup Flag 26 Oct 15 8.21am Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

think a lot of people know about this, just now the world health organisation is getting involved.

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Oct 15 8.23am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Oct 15 9.47am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume

Its more about quantity, although quality can be a factor. Omnivores in nature tend to supplement their diet with meat, rather than regularly eat meat. There is a big difference in how we consume meat and how omnivores in nature eat meat. They eat some meat, not one or two meals a day consisting of meat (also animals in nature don't really have to worry about cancer as a major threat.

Also the amount of red meat that's consumed is an issue (bear in mind that all other omnivores and carnivores would eat meat that's fresh from a kill and don't eat it on a daily basis either - big cats are an exception, but they're pure carnivores, they can even supplement their hydration from meat).

Of course on an individual basis genetic factors play a very important role, but essentially, vegetarians experience a much lower rate of some cancers, especially of the bowel (about 20% lower than the average, and vegans a further 20% lower than vegetarians).


 


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View lankygit's Profile lankygit Flag Lincoln 26 Oct 15 1.43pm Send a Private Message to lankygit Add lankygit as a friend

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume


We are omnivores, but our evolution didn`t include the consumption of processed meat.
That report in the link refers to the risk from processed meat:

"Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.

Meanwhile, it said red meats were "probably carcinogenic" but there was limited evidence"

 


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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 26 Oct 15 1.51pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

I expect to see government health warnings on sausages, bacon & ham in due course.

SAUSAGES KILL

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Oct 15 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Quote lankygit at 26 Oct 2015 1.43pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume


We are omnivores, but our evolution didn`t include the consumption of processed meat.
That report in the link refers to the risk from processed meat:

"Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.

Meanwhile, it said red meats were "probably carcinogenic" but there was limited evidence"


They have included both. Quoting red meat is probably carcinogenic.

You are right about processed and Jamie makes a valid point about quantity. That applies to all Macro nutrients. Saturated Fat was demonised now people realise the mistake and Sugar is currently getting it in the neck. Quantiy & Quality (often the source) is key

The trouble with studies like this is that it ignores other factors. Those who eat a lot of processed food are often financially poor or time poor and have pressurised lives. There is also the fact that many of these people will also be signifcantly overweight.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Oct 15 4.33pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 2.03pm

Quote lankygit at 26 Oct 2015 1.43pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 26 Oct 2015 8.23am

The advice is flawed
We are omnivores
Like anything its about the quality of the priduct you consume


We are omnivores, but our evolution didn`t include the consumption of processed meat.
That report in the link refers to the risk from processed meat:

"Its report said 50g of processed meat a day - less than two slices of bacon - increased the chance of developing colorectal cancer by 18%.

Meanwhile, it said red meats were "probably carcinogenic" but there was limited evidence"


They have included both. Quoting red meat is probably carcinogenic.

You are right about processed and Jamie makes a valid point about quantity. That applies to all Macro nutrients. Saturated Fat was demonised now people realise the mistake and Sugar is currently getting it in the neck. Quantiy & Quality (often the source) is key

The trouble with studies like this is that it ignores other factors. Those who eat a lot of processed food are often financially poor or time poor and have pressurised lives. There is also the fact that many of these people will also be signifcantly overweight.

Thing that is important isn't so much quantity as frequency, with carcinogens. We, as a nation, tend to eat meat twice a day, sometimes three times a day, and there in lies the problem, its one of continued exposure, rather than occasional exposure.

Meat is actually a good source of vitamin B, which is probably why omnivores evolved and benefitted from meat supplementing their diet. Problem is, its definitely not good for you long term, especially humans and especially the kinds of meat we like (and the servings we like).

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Oct 15 4.40pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

This is a very good synopsis:

Everybody jumped on the sensational headlines and nobody cared to read the official communique from IARC. They put it as a Class 2A carcinogen, same as glyphosate (Roundup) and caffein. "Probable" carcinogen. In the other hand, alcohol is still Class 1, "known carcinogen".
If you have to be careful, it is to limit your grilled and smoked meat because the processing of these foods involves the addition of polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) from combustion byproducts. These are known carcinogens (Class 1) and tells you one things: BBQ and grill should be a weekend treat and tailgate food, not your daily staple food.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Oct 15 4.49pm

My rule of thumb is that avoiding carcinogens is largely pointless if you've quit smoking, or still smoke.

Sooner or later something is going to kill you, and chances are its going to be really nasty and you'll suffer.

Rather than worry about what might kill us, or give us a nasty terminal end, we should focus on what we can do, which is offer people who face a 'nasty end' a way out, that doesn't involve slowly decaying, in pain and say slowly drowning in your own fluids, until your heart gives way from lack of oxygen.

Death is inevitable, life is precious, but its not about 'how much you get', but how much you 'get out of it'. We cannot measure the quality of our existence by years. The only reason that cancer worries me, is that I know that the compassion of my country and its laws aim to ensure that I experience as much of that suffering as possible.

 


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Off to smoke a big fat bacon roll up now

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Oct 15 11.27am

If anything, bacon taste nicer now.

 


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you can get cancer just by walking down the street now-a-days

 

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