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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 11 Sep 19 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All the political posturing is just misdirection.

Absolutely. With notable exceptions such as the Lib-Dems. They make no bones about just revoking A50 and whilst I naturally disagree vehemently with them at least there is an honesty to their stance. Plus it would be far more legally binding. The referendum was advisory. No getting around that. And politicians lie all the time. Of course, that would not be the end but at least our ire is aimed at Westminster rather than our fellow Brits.

The only credible options are Leave or else A50 is revoked. A second referendum with a Remain option on it is the most damaging of any options available because it offers nothing beyond cementing the divide. And it has zero credibility. Nobody will take the result seriously and Brexit carries on infecting every aspect of British life with the danger that millions of people lose their faith in ever voting again. What would be the point?

Pure window dressing for Remainers to maintain their narcissistic self-image as the good guys. Peak virtue signalling all whilst ensuring they get the result they want. There simply would be no credible Leave option on offer.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Sep 19 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

You should get out more. I think ex pats living in the US may not be genuinely representative eh?

Just like Europeans living in London may not necessarily be representative eh? I'd tell you to get out more, but today alone you've probably cured Leukemia & sailed the Barrier Reef (& all before Lunch)!!

 


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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 11 Sep 19 10.46pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

That .makes no sense.

Also if leavers get in a strop and withdraw their vote then remainers will dominate politics for a generation.

How many more generations do you wish to screw?

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Sep 19 10.51pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Just like Europeans living in London may not necessarily be representative eh? I'd tell you to get out more, but today alone you've probably cured Leukemia & sailed the Barrier Reef (& all before Lunch)!!

Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Sep 19 10.56pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not that it affects any of my points. But we talk with and message people in other EU countries most days. Their views are not even close to those you describe.

Your views are so skewed towards the EU that I don't believe much of that BS if I'm being honest...

 


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View eritheagle's Profile eritheagle Flag Erith 11 Sep 19 10.59pm Send a Private Message to eritheagle Add eritheagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

That .makes no sense.

Also if leavers get in a strop and withdraw their vote then remainers will dominate politics for a generation.

Maybe not to you, living in that little remoaner bubble of yours!

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 11 Sep 19 11.09pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

So the latest iteration of yellowhammer is out.

Weve already spent 8bn on no deal mitigation, 2bn of which was hastily added recently as it became a genuine possibility.

As expected some claims have been overblown, but the devil is in the detail. Enough of which is too much disruption for no good reason, especially when the option of a deal is viable.

Still want a no deal at all costs? Anyone got a knife for all these noses? Like moths to a flame.

Id rather leave with a deal, thanks very much.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Sep 19 11.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian


Oh I understood your post, you just think youre so clever dont you, seems like you are in a minority though, most people think youre just an argumentative old fool. What are the massive changes in circumstances?

I'll ignore the personal insults as ducks have more permeable backs than me. I accept I am a minority here, but that's far from true in the real world. If you don't think that Parliament failing to find a way to exit that they can reach a majority decision on is not a significant change to their original position then I don't think you are being realistic.

We voted OUT and most MPs are doing their utmost to renege on that deal....'we will honour the result of the referendum'...yeah right! Self serving bunch they are!!

You voted out but 48% of us didn't. Their interests, along with everyone who did not vote or could not vote matter too. MPs represent us all and have not been trying to renege on anything. They have been trying to find an exit that does the least harm but know that leaving without a formal agreement is irresponsible and not what most people wanted.

If, as you say the EU dont want a no deal, they are certainly going about it in a strange way....if they had only given Cameron a little bit when he went to them, none of this s*** would be happening....they really just want to punish us for leaving and to stop anyone else wanting to leave...Frexit? Spanexit? Certainly lots of people here in France would love to get out


I have little doubt that the EU now regret not offering Cameron a little more but they didn't expect the result anymore than anyone else did. For sure it isn't in their overall interests to be overly generous and set a precedent.

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 11 Sep 19 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Behold the cognitive dissonance.

[Link]

person 1:

This is project fear on steroids, negative scare mongering to undermine the "will of the people"!

person 2:

This is a clear and correct view of just how f***ed up no deal would be, no one voted for this s***!

person 1 types:

Stirley, Hrolfy....90% of people on holmesdale.net

person 2 types

me, old maple syrup, some dude from wisbech and a bloke called dan.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Sep 19 11.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

So the latest iteration of yellowhammer is out.

Weve already spent 8bn on no deal mitigation, 2bn of which was hastily added recently as it became a genuine possibility.

As expected some claims have been overblown, but the devil is in the detail. Enough of which is too much disruption for no good reason, especially when the option of a deal is viable.

Still want a no deal at all costs? Anyone got a knife for all these noses? Like moths to a flame.

Id rather leave with a deal, thanks very much.

Hopefully this will put the final nail in the coffin of the idea that leaving without a deal is an acceptable alternative in ANY circumstances.

Hopefully it will also lay to rest the idea that Parliament are fighting against the wishes of the people. Nobody wishes to be poorer and Parliament is acting in their interests.

 

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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 11 Sep 19 11.35pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Behold the cognitive dissonance.

[Link]

person 1:

This is project fear on steroids, negative scare mongering to undermine the "will of the people"!

person 2:

This is a clear and correct view of just how f***ed up no deal would be, no one voted for this s***!

person 1 types:

Stirley, Hrolfy....90% of people on holmesdale.net

person 2 types

me, old maple syrup, some dude from wisbech and a bloke called dan.

1. Why are the EU once again pumping funds into a continually failing system? (The clue is in 'continually')
2. Why is the current economic situation within the EU never (rarely at best) mentioned here yet piss poor projections, and that's all they are, regarding our departure always taken as 'facts'?

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 11 Sep 19 11.40pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Hopefully this will put the final nail in the coffin of the idea that leaving without a deal is an acceptable alternative in ANY circumstances.

Hopefully it will also lay to rest the idea that Parliament are fighting against the wishes of the people. Nobody wishes to be poorer and Parliament is acting in their interests.

Plenty of partisans on the leave side are frothing at the mouth to be poorer, at least in the short term. Literally at any cost.

Worth noting that these things are worst case not expected case, but the mere existence of them as a possibility is enough.

I buy the argument that in the long term anything could happen but I work in observable fact, opinion or consensus and thats enough for me to not want a no deal.

 


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