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View leifandersonshair's Profile leifandersonshair Flag Newport 20 Feb 16 9.19pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Voting- leaning towards in, but will be researching a bit more before making a decision.

Many of the points raised about why some people are voting out (NHS being stretched, shortage of school places etc) are down to the stupid and ideologically focused policy of 'austerity'- a word I despise, as we should just say 'massive and unprecedented cuts to public services'.

 

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View Red Al's Profile Red Al Flag Reading 20 Feb 16 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Red Al Add Red Al as a friend

Originally posted by miles18

Going to be honest, I know f*** all about all this crap as it never interested me.

Can someone tell me 3 good things about in and 3 good for out?

Good things In...employment protection laws, free movement of labour, better influence in the world,

Can't think of any reason to leave the EU...

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Feb 16 11.40pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Voting: out

Zero wage rises
Chronic housing shortage
Massively stretched NHS
Shortage of school places
General overpopulation
Loss of British values/way of life/culture and general identity.

That’s enough to sway me.

Originally posted by Red Al


What have any of these got to do with the EU? Blame the Tories for the first 4 and the last two are just plain wrong...

I hope this pastes well and I'm not too pasted but wtf? High immigration has been going on for over 10 years and Labour were in power from 1997 to 2010.

There was a house building problem in 2005/6, I remember it. This was also when immigration was rising dramatically.

You could blame the stretched NHS on the funds available. Same for the school places. Whether you think that spending Ed Balls' style in a contracting world economy is smart or not is your choice. btw, the NHS spend has increased year on year, it's in built up areas where you suddenly need a school. Near Purley Oaks Primary, Thornton Heath. I'm sure you get the drift. Outside of Kenley or Chipstead or Warlingham you have zero worries. Well I live outside of those areas but I worry for those people already here.

What you either ignore or are not aware of is that the Labour party had agencies going out to Eastern Europe to encourage workers to come to Britain. They were all about figures and addressing too many issues and appeasing lots of different factions of society that they couldn't satisfy all. They turned out to be an absolute shower apart from introducing things like the minimum wage.

btw, I am not a tory and am a floating voter but Churchill's, "Show me a young Tory...no heart and an old Liberal....and no brain" (approx) applies to most people.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Feb 2016 11.54pm)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Feb 16 11.43pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Funniest thing I heard today was from lefties upset about different areas in Caterham and around being built upon for housing. I laughed and raised their political tendencies and why do they care about a golf course.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Hard Brexit 21 Feb 16 4.43am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


I'm afraid the 3million UK jobs linked to EU trade far outweigh any concerns I may have about a Little Englander living in his Croydon bubble, Matthew.

Edited by Kermit8 (20 Feb 2016 6.25pm)

So basically the lack of social cohesion caused by mass migration, the fact that unsecured borders make Britain less secure, the fact that many of these people who move to Britain are completely polarised in their thinking and will not change, the removal of Brotish sovereignty over key issues, the reduction of power of Parliament and the enforcement of rules from an unelected body of faceless bureaucrats outweighs a statistic you have got from somewhere which is probably not provable in any manner?

Simply dismissing my thoughts as 'Little Englander' doesn't work Michael. It highlights that you are once again positioning yourself on policy based on what you think makes you look intellectual, rather than anything with any substance.

 


"The real question is, at the end of the day, do we want to run our country? Are we proud of who we are? Are we happy to be just a star on somebody else's flag, or do we want to be an independent nation?” - Nigel Farage

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 21 Feb 16 7.24am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Yes you are of course correct - it is indeed the result of poor UK governance.

After all it is the government to blame for allowing an open door immigration policy which caused all the above.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (20 Feb 2016 7.23pm)

Labour Govt was especially guilty of commencing open door policy with benefit system awash with freebies. Let's also not forget Border Agency ineptitude under the management of Lin Homer...before she got the gig overseeing HMRC (See a connection, anybody? Just GOOGLE it if not)

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 21 Feb 16 7.30am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by -TUX-

That's a given.
But ''Johnny Englanders'' (how sarcastic is that) being replaced by those who generally choose NOT to integrate with the ''Johnny Englanders'' that remain, is the issue for many.
Get it?



Not sure you 'get it'. Johnny Englander perfectly describes the type of brash, arrogant native who can have a propensity themselves not to integrate with others. The fact that we have migrants taking on the jobs that too many of us would rather not be associated with, combined with their hard-working ethic - many do try to integrate as proven by employment statistics. Where would NHS be without them?

 

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View Harry Beever's Profile Harry Beever Flag Newbury 21 Feb 16 7.40am Send a Private Message to Harry Beever Add Harry Beever as a friend

Originally posted by Red Al

Good things In...employment protection laws, free movement of labour, better influence in the world,

Can't think of any reason to leave the EU...

Not that I'm a huge fan of British politicians but for me the emasculation of politicians on home soil is a reason. I feel I am a hypocrite for wanting Scotland to remain in the union yet leaning towards getting out of the EU but I did believe that the Scots should have more power to self regulate which they've got. The power to govern based on local knowledge of local problems seems so important. For those decisions to be taken by bureaucrats in Brussels far removed from the "coal face" of Britain can't be right.

I hate Cameron playing up the fear factor.All this tslk about a leap into the dark and an increased risk of terrorism to scare people. Staying in the EU is surely also a leap in the dark. It seems to be an infrastructure frequently in crisis and on the brink of collapse, if we leave the EU do the rest of the EU say "screw you spiteful cnuts we're not sharing any information about terrorists because you didn't want to be in our gang?" Is that how it works?

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Hard Brexit 21 Feb 16 7.47am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Not sure you 'get it'. Johnny Englander perfectly describes the type of brash, arrogant native who can have a propensity themselves not to integrate with others. The fact that we have migrants taking on the jobs that too many of us would rather not be associated with, combined with their hard-working ethic - many do try to integrate as proven by employment statistics. Where would NHS be without them?

What do you do to integrate yourself with migrants?

 


"The real question is, at the end of the day, do we want to run our country? Are we proud of who we are? Are we happy to be just a star on somebody else's flag, or do we want to be an independent nation?” - Nigel Farage

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 21 Feb 16 8.23am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

What do you do to integrate yourself with migrants?

It happens everyday as migration has occurred for decades: teach their children; as shopkeepers I buy their goods; socialise with them to learn of their culture/ background & vice versa; trust and allow them to treat my family if in need of required medical health care; watch them play at Palace and in other sports etc. I think that you'll find that you and everybody else are regularly integrating with migrants either directly or indirectly.

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 21 Feb 16 8.37am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by aquickgame2

Putting aside the immigration problem,which the whole of Europe has.
What part of EU legislation don't people like ?

The bit they read in the Daily Mail. Hands off our sausages. ECHR etc

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 21 Feb 16 8.50am Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Not sure you 'get it'. Johnny Englander perfectly describes the type of brash, arrogant native who can have a propensity themselves not to integrate with others. The fact that we have migrants taking on the jobs that too many of us would rather not be associated with, combined with their hard-working ethic - many do try to integrate as proven by employment statistics. Where would NHS be without them?

The fact that they tend to share houses together,meaning they can afford to do the lower paid jobs,families cannot.
If you have 8-10 single people sharing a large house,then it it is basic maths to realise it is easier for them.
I deliver to large amounts of wholesalers(food chain).and I would say 85% of the people who work at them are Eastern europeans.
And I talk and have a bit of banter with them,and almost all of them live in shared accomdation.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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