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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 11 Sep 16 9.15pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Following CPS decision not to prefer charges,not just one but two challenges made by accusers for a review of that ruling.
Apparently,the singer is so enraged that he has even stopped eating, according to media reports and a new decision as to whether he will face charges will be made within 28 days.
Sounds like he's having a lean time at the moment.

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 11 Sep 16 9.18pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Following CPS decision not to prefer charges,not just one but two challenges made by accusers for a review of that ruling.
Apparently,the singer is so enraged that he has even stopped eating, according to media reports and a new decision as to whether he will face charges will be made within 28 days.
Sounds like he's having a lean time at the moment.

And if that review throws the case out, they can appeal again. It's bollocks

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Sep 16 9.38am

Perfectly acceptable for the accusers to challenge the decision of the CPS. Keeps the CPS honest. Decisions must be appealable in the interests of fair and due process.

Most legal decisions can be appealed. The CPS alone cannot have the final say on prosecutions, otherwise it creates a fertile ground for corruption.

 


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I hope they get this thrashed out quickly so I can start singing Mistletoe and Wine at work without feeling like a paedo-sympathiser.

For what it's worth, I reckon he's innocent, given that ultimately he'd be bricking it about God smiting him if he was a bit dodgy.

 




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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Sep 16 10.30am

Originally posted by Part Time James

I hope they get this thrashed out quickly so I can start singing Mistletoe and Wine at work without feeling like a paedo-sympathiser.

For what it's worth, I reckon he's innocent, given that ultimately he'd be bricking it about God smiting him if he was a bit dodgy.[/quote]

Definitely stopped the Catholic church in their tracks.

I think he's probably not a nonce in the classic sense, but that in the 70s when the age of consent was 21, he might very well have done some underage trade - which I think should be forgiven given the absurdly homophobic bias in the age of consent.

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Sep 16 10.34am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

I hope they get this thrashed out quickly so I can start singing Mistletoe and Wine at work without feeling like a paedo-sympathiser.

For what it's worth, I reckon he's innocent, given that ultimately he'd be bricking it about God smiting him if he was a bit dodgy.

Is 'the devil possessed my cock' still allowed as legal defence as it was 400 years ago?

He'll be fine if it is.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 12 Sep 16 10.37am Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Perfectly acceptable for the accusers to challenge the decision of the CPS. Keeps the CPS honest. Decisions must be appealable in the interests of fair and due process.

Most legal decisions can be appealed. The CPS alone cannot have the final say on prosecutions, otherwise it creates a fertile ground for corruption.

It might be perfectly acceptable to appeal but what if there is no actual evidence?

If there was some, they'd have charged him already.

And there should be a time limit for all accusations, never mind the appeals on them after.

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Sep 16 10.42am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

It might be perfectly acceptable to appeal but what if there is no actual evidence?

If there was some, they'd have charged him already.

And there should be a time limit for all accusations, never mind the appeals on them after.


Surely not if there is the evidence or the need to gather some re:interviews,etc? There would be a lot of criminals on the outside rather than inside right now if that time limit were implemented across the board.

 


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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 12 Sep 16 10.43am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Perfectly acceptable for the accusers to challenge the decision of the CPS. Keeps the CPS honest. Decisions must be appealable in the interests of fair and due process.

Most legal decisions can be appealed. The CPS alone cannot have the final say on prosecutions, otherwise it creates a fertile ground for corruption.

The once maybe but they can challenge the decision again if they don't like the outcome. Given how long this has taken already, a little unfair on someone who is potentially innocent?

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Surely not if there is the evidence or the need to gather some re:interviews,etc? There would be a lot of criminals on the outside rather than inside right now if that time limit were implemented across the board.

Yes, even if there is the need to gather evidence you should report that you've been a victim of crime within x number of years. I'm not saying a time limit on being able to prosecute someone if it can be proven later, but the accusation has to be logged.

 


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Originally posted by Stuk

Yes, even if there is the need to gather evidence you should report that you've been a victim of crime within x number of years. I'm not saying a time limit on being able to prosecute someone if it can be proven later, but the accusation has to be logged.


The issue there, of course, as plenty of Savile victims said, is that they just may not be believed enough plus they feel entirely powerless and made to feel like they are being a bother. It took decades for some to have the confidence to come forward after Jimmy abused them. Not their fault. Just a sign of the times.

I mean, how exactly is a twelve or thirteen year old expected to react to being abused/raped? Straight down the police station and if they don't do it withing seven years then they can't do it in twenty?

 


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The longer the victims stay quiet about it, the more victims there are.

When people did finally accuse Savile it was too late to prevent any further victims and too late to punish him for it.

 


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