Knowing our place.

billtheglazier twickenham 30 Oct 16 1.11pm
I hope im not repeating what might have been posted else where, but it has become 'crystal' clear to me that there are two levels or parts to the premier league. Probably 8 or 9 teams who for various reasons(money,better scouting systems,better coaching, maybe better players)and I include Everton,Southampton and maybe Leicester in that 9, and then others,including Palace. Our failings imo are: frequent inaccurate passing,failure to consistently maintain shape at the back, and seemingly the inability to make space or run into space in forward attacking movement. As a kid I remember the days of Arthur Rowes push and run model which teams like Leicester,Man city,Liverpool,Southampton and others integrate into their style today. I do feel all we can hope for is interesting exciting football which we do often produce which may produce results to keep us up. But I would hope that players can improve on the basics and I suppose thats down to coaching. [Link] Following The Palace since 1956, Rocking the Blues since 68.!!
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I hope im not repeating what might have been posted else where, but it has become 'crystal' clear to me that there are two levels or parts to the premier league.
Probably 8 or 9 teams who for various reasons(money,better scouting systems,better coaching, maybe better players)and I include Everton,Southampton and maybe Leicester in that 9, and then others,including Palace.
Our failings imo are: frequent inaccurate passing,failure to consistently maintain shape at the back, and seemingly the inability to make space or run into space in forward attacking movement.
As a kid I remember the days of Arthur Rowes push and run model which teams like Leicester,Man city,Liverpool,Southampton and others integrate into their style today.
I do feel all we can hope for is interesting exciting football which we do often produce which may produce results to keep us up.
But I would hope that players can improve on the basics and I suppose thats down to coaching.

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glaziermart 30 Oct 16 4.09pm
All you do is rehash comments you made when we played under Pulis. We do try to play good football, and it did come off at times in the second half yesterday. Do you not remember some of our great passing and movement up at Everton? Our football against Stoke? All you do is try to undermine with negative posts, pre-prepared scripts all the time. This is the Premier League. We will sometimes come up against better teams, and Liverpool are a very good team. But this is still one of the best Palace teams in living memory
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All you do is rehash comments you made when we played under Pulis. We do try to play good football, and it did come off at times in the second half yesterday. Do you not remember some of our great passing and movement up at Everton? Our football against Stoke? All you do is try to undermine with negative posts, pre-prepared scripts all the time. This is the Premier League. We will sometimes come up against better teams, and Liverpool are a very good team. But this is still one of the best Palace teams in living memory

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ex hibitionist Hastings 30 Oct 16 4.41pm
Originally posted by Reknaw pointless thread. delete pointless poster delete. Bill is referring to the glass ceiling in the prem - there'as one for the top six, then Saints Leicester and Everton - we can't finish above them - West Ham will get their act together, so top half this season would be outstanding - that's why we should know our place and have realistic expectations. The Leicester miracle last year has skewed people's take on things - I never wildly expected it, but I remember Southampton in the early 80s being right up there consistently, a fortress that was the Dell and a good first XI luck with injuries and you don't have to be a giant to get top 4, QPR under Venables came third, so did we but that was more testament to how bad the top flight was back then - there's Forest and Villa as well, I know the financial spread has changed things, but Newcastle (under Pardew!) nearly got top four a couple of season's back - you must never write these things off - the team we have now is decent enough but there are deficiencies which I think are more to do with personnel than tactics, there I disagree with Bill, but a couple of key signings, one in defence and one behind the striker and we could be fighting for a top half position, Townsend, Zaha and Puncheon need someone better than Lee to make them fight for their places, and with a bit of luck with injuries and some momentum we may surpass our expectations - especially once Remy and Wickham return, then Suoare will come back, we should know our place and it may seem we have come as far as we can, but you have to progress or you will regress - we need the stadium to improve, we're a fair few years behind the likes of Southampton and West Ham, we should be happy where we are all things considered but that doesn't man being totally satisfied with 12th - 17th place or watching our players under-perform. We want to be aiming for Europe two or three years hence.
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Bill is referring to the glass ceiling in the prem - there'as one for the top six, then Saints Leicester and Everton - we can't finish above them - West Ham will get their act together, so top half this season would be outstanding - that's why we should know our place and have realistic expectations. The Leicester miracle last year has skewed people's take on things - I never wildly expected it, but I remember Southampton in the early 80s being right up there consistently, a fortress that was the Dell and a good first XI luck with injuries and you don't have to be a giant to get top 4, QPR under Venables came third, so did we but that was more testament to how bad the top flight was back then - there's Forest and Villa as well, I know the financial spread has changed things, but Newcastle (under Pardew!) nearly got top four a couple of season's back - you must never write these things off - the team we have now is decent enough but there are deficiencies which I think are more to do with personnel than tactics, there I disagree with Bill, but a couple of key signings, one in defence and one behind the striker and we could be fighting for a top half position, Townsend, Zaha and Puncheon need someone better than Lee to make them fight for their places, and with a bit of luck with injuries and some momentum we may surpass our expectations - especially once Remy and Wickham return, then Suoare will come back, we should know our place and it may seem we have come as far as we can, but you have to progress or you will regress - we need the stadium to improve, we're a fair few years behind the likes of Southampton and West Ham, we should be happy where we are all things considered but that doesn't man being totally satisfied with 12th - 17th place or watching our players under-perform. We want to be aiming for Europe two or three years hence.

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billtheglazier twickenham 30 Oct 16 5.33pm
Originally posted by glaziermart All you do is rehash comments you made when we played under Pulis. We do try to play good football, and it did come off at times in the second half yesterday. Do you not remember some of our great passing and movement up at Everton? Our football against Stoke? All you do is try to undermine with negative posts, pre-prepared scripts all the time. This is the Premier League. We will sometimes come up against better teams, and Liverpool are a very good team. But this is still one of the best Palace teams in living memory I do apologise for giving the wrong impression and I did not intend to be perceived as negative.I am certainly far happier with the present style of play than under Pulis. I was at Leicester last week and I thought the first 25 minutes was as good as we've played all season and with a bit of luck we could have had a different result.The point I am trying to make is that the EPL's top teams have top international players as seen yesterday that will always be challenging and difficult to get much from but we also have some great players whose positional play and accuracy of passing needs some improvement if we are to survive.If that happens and its not a lot to ask then we have a great chance of a top ten finish. [Link] Following The Palace since 1956, Rocking the Blues since 68.!!
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Originally posted by glaziermart

I do apologise for giving the wrong impression and I did not intend to be perceived as negative.I am certainly far happier with the present style of play than under Pulis.
I was at Leicester last week and I thought the first 25 minutes was as good as we've played all season and with a bit of luck we could have had a different result.The point I am trying to make is that the EPL's top teams have top international players as seen yesterday that will always be challenging and difficult to get much from but we also have some great players whose positional play and accuracy of passing needs some improvement if we are to survive.If that happens and its not a lot to ask then we have a great chance of a top ten finish.

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 30 Oct 16 5.55pm
I agree, when you look at the league table, i would say only two clubs are above us that shouldn't be, realistically we were never going to win, it's the manner of defeat that could strike a chord with some people. I think the level we are at, if we put out consistent performances, results will come, if not, at least fans will be happy. At the moment we look under prepared. Which is a worry. If we're going to lose, i want us to lose fighting. Originally posted by ex hibitionist pointless poster delete. Bill is referring to the glass ceiling in the prem - there'as one for the top six, then Saints Leicester and Everton - we can't finish above them - West Ham will get their act together, so top half this season would be outstanding - that's why we should know our place and have realistic expectations. The Leicester miracle last year has skewed people's take on things - I never wildly expected it, but I remember Southampton in the early 80s being right up there consistently, a fortress that was the Dell and a good first XI luck with injuries and you don't have to be a giant to get top 4, QPR under Venables came third, so did we but that was more testament to how bad the top flight was back then - there's Forest and Villa as well, I know the financial spread has changed things, but Newcastle (under Pardew!) nearly got top four a couple of season's back - you must never write these things off - the team we have now is decent enough but there are deficiencies which I think are more to do with personnel than tactics, there I disagree with Bill, but a couple of key signings, one in defence and one behind the striker and we could be fighting for a top half position, Townsend, Zaha and Puncheon need someone better than Lee to make them fight for their places, and with a bit of luck with injuries and some momentum we may surpass our expectations - especially once Remy and Wickham return, then Suoare will come back, we should know our place and it may seem we have come as far as we can, but you have to progress or you will regress - we need the stadium to improve, we're a fair few years behind the likes of Southampton and West Ham, we should be happy where we are all things considered but that doesn't man being totally satisfied with 12th - 17th place or watching our players under-perform. We want to be aiming for Europe two or three years hence. This was once a quality forum....
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I agree, when you look at the league table, i would say only two clubs are above us that shouldn't be, realistically we were never going to win, it's the manner of defeat that could strike a chord with some people.
I think the level we are at, if we put out consistent performances, results will come, if not, at least fans will be happy. At the moment we look under prepared. Which is a worry. If we're going to lose, i want us to lose fighting.

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chateauferret 30 Oct 16 9.24pm
"Knowing our place" sounds like showing too much respect and is one of the reasons we got stuffed yesterday. "Yes, surr. No, surr. Will you have yourr goal noww, surr?" ============ The Ferret ============
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"Knowing our place" sounds like showing too much respect and is one of the reasons we got stuffed yesterday. "Yes, surr. No, surr. Will you have yourr goal noww, surr?"

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