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View bifffabazz's Profile bifffabazz Flag Highworth, Wiltshire 30 Nov 16 5.36am Send a Private Message to bifffabazz Add bifffabazz as a friend

Raising this old chestnut again but personally wondering if it's a big part of our problems.

Do we close down the opposition well enough?

Do we dictate the pace of a game?

Why do we seem to concede so many free kicks?

Do we get too many muscular injuries?

Why do we concede more late goals than we score?


Tactics, team selection, motivation, leadership: All valid areas to question, so why not fitness as well?

 


Spirit of 1974

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 30 Nov 16 9.16am

IMO its not fitness but Consentration and having players in postions that they clearly struggle with.Having a manager that says clean sheets are not his priorty can only expect to piss of his defenders with comments like that. They are judged by goals conceded, We have gone from having one of the best defensive records to one of the worst.

 

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 30 Nov 16 9.23am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

For me we got by for the first few seasons in the Prem by being a below average team with a WAY above average work rate/spirit. Now we are closer to being an average team but the work rate/spirit seems to not be AS good (not saying it's not there at all).

I've always said I'd rather have an average player giving 110% (which I know by definition isn't possible!) than a good player giving 70% and that's what I think set us aside in the past.

 




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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 30 Nov 16 9.25am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

And to add some further conjecture, I wonder if actually some of our excellent spirit in the past has come from knowing we have to scrap to survive. Was the squad's problem this time going into a season with a mid-table expectancy and not anticipating to have to scrap it out and give 110% to survive?

 




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View Mad4palace's Profile Mad4palace Flag 30 Nov 16 9.43am Send a Private Message to Mad4palace Add Mad4palace as a friend

The worrying thing is that it seems to be just one of the issues:
Fitness
Concentration
Organisation
Discipline
Game management
Lack of Leadership and communication
Lack of effort from one or two players

There is crossover between these categories but they seem to in part stem from the fitness problems. I would even go as far as saying that Pardew's substitutions are a symptom of our fitness issues; going back to last season, Cabayes inability to finish a game must have cost us a lot of points. This season he's continued to take of central midfielders when in a narrow winning or closely contested draw, the sub completely messes up the organization of the midfield.

I also question the club and Pardew's transfer policy. We were supposedly in a period of 'transition', I took that as meaning bringing in better passing and possession players. I'm not really sure we've brought those players in; highlighted by the fact we signed no new midfielders and actually sold a key one who was also our captain. We seem to have become a more pressing team but that pressing style involved moving McArthur to the AM position and he and Benteke pressing as the 2 up front, this meant we sacrificed McArthurs energy in the midfield and we've gone on to see some horror show performances by the midfield, particularly against Leicester and Liverpool. Pardew did at least recognize this and moved McArthur back for the last 2 games, it seemed to work for the most part against Man City.

 

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View Rabbit-Tooth's Profile Rabbit-Tooth Flag London 30 Nov 16 10.06am Send a Private Message to Rabbit-Tooth Add Rabbit-Tooth as a friend

Lack of intelligence and no bottle.

 

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View slubglurge's Profile slubglurge Flag welling 30 Nov 16 10.09am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

A recent table put us in 19th pos for miles covered. Not a sirprise

 

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View Gidge's Profile Gidge Flag Romsey 30 Nov 16 10.53am Send a Private Message to Gidge Add Gidge as a friend

I think fitness is a really big part of our problem. We looked totally knackered most of the second half against Swansea and that contributed to the 24 free kicks we gave away (a lot of them around our box).

For me, it's obvious that a team that isn't sharp and fit will be slightly off the pace and will concede free kicks due to poorly timed tackles. Ball retention is another problem. We need to stop losing possession so cheaply.

All down to management and coaching I'm afraid.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Nov 16 11.12am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mad4palace

The worrying thing is that it seems to be just one of the issues:
Fitness
Concentration
Organisation
Discipline
Game management
Lack of Leadership and communication
Lack of effort from one or two players

There is crossover between these categories but they seem to in part stem from the fitness problems. I would even go as far as saying that Pardew's substitutions are a symptom of our fitness issues; going back to last season, Cabayes inability to finish a game must have cost us a lot of points. This season he's continued to take of central midfielders when in a narrow winning or closely contested draw, the sub completely messes up the organization of the midfield.

I also question the club and Pardew's transfer policy. We were supposedly in a period of 'transition', I took that as meaning bringing in better passing and possession players. I'm not really sure we've brought those players in; highlighted by the fact we signed no new midfielders and actually sold a key one who was also our captain. We seem to have become a more pressing team but that pressing style involved moving McArthur to the AM position and he and Benteke pressing as the 2 up front, this meant we sacrificed McArthurs energy in the midfield and we've gone on to see some horror show performances by the midfield, particularly against Leicester and Liverpool. Pardew did at least recognize this and moved McArthur back for the last 2 games, it seemed to work for the most part against Man City.

Nailed it.

 


COYP

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View Bill Glazier's Profile Bill Glazier Flag Mitcham 30 Nov 16 11.49am Send a Private Message to Bill Glazier Add Bill Glazier as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Nailed it.

Far from nailing it.We Win more points with Cabaye off the pitch.In fact I think we have only won once with him on the pitch at 90 minutes.We purely need a left back and need to eradicate the schoolboy errors from the players.

 

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View The_postman's Profile The_postman Flag Forest Row 30 Nov 16 12.08pm Send a Private Message to The_postman Add The_postman as a friend

This is part of an interview with Scott Guyett the head fitness and conditioning coach at CPFC in Feb 2014.

Perhaps fitness is something which slid for Palace at the start of this season. I questioned the impact of Tony Pulis on this side of things.

“Under Tony, the lads do have to be very, very fit. We look at the Prozone stats now and the players are doing a lot more now than they were under the previous regime.”

I ask whether Guyett feels that is one of the reasons for the Eagles’ recent upturn in results.

“I think that’s probably showed. It was difficult because we’ve had four managers in the space of twelve months [Dougie Freedman, Ian Holloway, Keith Millen and Pulis] and they all have their different ways of working.”

Guyett is still at Palace but it seems that Pardew does not demand the same level of fitness that Pulis did. Pity!

 

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View Loz83's Profile Loz83 Flag Crawley 30 Nov 16 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Loz83 Add Loz83 as a friend

Under pullis we seemed fitter and we also had a bit of a nastiness to us, we use to time waste a bit ( like a lot of teams do, not condoning it) and put bodies on the line. We're push overs now!

 

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