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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 20 Dec 16 5.45am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

"Transition season" in my mind is running into a few problems. I was actually happy seeing us change our style of play and become a more offensive team keeping hold of the ball and scoring a lot more goals. Over the last few games ( including the Southampton win ) we are going back to the way we played last season and not looking so good.
I think we might be better to be bold and try and outscore teams rather than be negative and play our midfielders in the same 1/2 of the pitch as our defenders, leaving Benteke up front alone.
It might mean we get turned over by a few goals by the top teams but it will help the learning process on how we need to defend without lots of deep lying midfielders. It can be done and we might need to press further up the pitch along the lines Liverpool play.

 

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View Flightsequence's Profile Flightsequence Flag 20 Dec 16 6.26am Send a Private Message to Flightsequence Add Flightsequence as a friend

Surely we could find something in the middle of the two. That's why I think Pape has been a big miss. He can do both and gave us two attacking players on his side with a winger. But also allowing the winger to drift inside if required when he overlapped.

 

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Originally posted by viveasheagle

"Transition season" in my mind is running into a few problems. I was actually happy seeing us change our style of play and become a more offensive team keeping hold of the ball and scoring a lot more goals. Over the last few games ( including the Southampton win ) we are going back to the way we played last season and not looking so good.
I think we might be better to be bold and try and outscore teams rather than be negative and play our midfielders in the same 1/2 of the pitch as our defenders, leaving Benteke up front alone.
It might mean we get turned over by a few goals by the top teams but it will help the learning process on how we need to defend without lots of deep lying midfielders. It can be done and we might need to press further up the pitch along the lines Liverpool play.


Pardew has tried that and we're one point above relegation. We aren't just being turned over by 'top teams', we're being turned over by most teams. As has already been suggested, we need a system that balances defence and attack. Keep on the way we are and we'll be able to carry on experimenting in the Championship.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Dec 16 8.38am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


Pardew has tried that and we're one point above relegation. We aren't just being turned over by 'top teams', we're being turned over by most teams. As has already been suggested, we need a system that balances defence and attack. Keep on the way we are and we'll be able to carry on experimenting in the Championship.

Their favourite response, ''Relegation? So be it'' is coming. I can feel it. Remember it when they were willing to accept relegation under DF because he told them we were vulnerable?

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Their favourite response, ''Relegation? So be it'' is coming. I can feel it. Remember it when they were willing to accept relegation under DF because he told them we were vulnerable?

Then there's 'get relegated, regroup and bounce straight back'; just remind me how many times we've done that.

Apart from anything else, if we don't have a sustained run in the PL, we'll never improve the infrastructure of the club, and with the US investment this is a realistic ambition. Without that improvement in ground and training facilities, and ground capacity we'll forever be small fry in the big pond.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 20 Dec 16 9.03am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

Then there's 'get relegated, regroup and bounce straight back'; just remind me how many times we've done that.

Apart from anything else, if we don't have a sustained run in the PL, we'll never improve the infrastructure of the club, and with the US investment this is a realistic ambition. Without that improvement in ground and training facilities, and ground capacity we'll forever be small fry in the big pond.

I think they don't like change. It scares them.

 


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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 20 Dec 16 9.16am Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Start of the season it was worth setting up to attack, we had an on form Zaha, Benteke, Townsend, Bolasie and Puncheon! When all of them were at their beat then if course you attack the opposition!
Those days are long gone, every player except Zaha looks poor and devoid of confidence so suddenly we dont look so good going forward.
Going gung-ho only works if you are likely to cause problems going forward. If you dont you are in big trouble, especially as every team has a decent attack now. We just stopped winning open games like we did early on...

 

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View Vim Fuego's Profile Vim Fuego Flag Haywards Heath 20 Dec 16 9.17am Send a Private Message to Vim Fuego Add Vim Fuego as a friend

I think we should just try to not let in 5 (FIVE) goals against the likes of Swansea. If you're going to play expansive, open football buy the defence to allow you to do it and don't play Kelly at left-back week after week.

This season is just about staying up now.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Dec 16 10.42am

Defend. Rule 101 football is about not conceding goals as a priority. If the madness that was November has taught us anything, not defending, costs you wins when you score 3 or more goals...

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Dec 16 11.25am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Defend. Rule 101 football is about not conceding goals as a priority. If the madness that was November has taught us anything, not defending, costs you wins when you score 3 or more goals...

Last year the relegated clubs had goal differences of -20 and more Eagles were -4 until Southampton.

We are -4 at the moment not shipping goals recently so solid defence it must be priority and goals too the players must show their worth.


 

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View BelfastEagle's Profile BelfastEagle Flag 20 Dec 16 11.28am Send a Private Message to BelfastEagle Add BelfastEagle as a friend

Somewhere balanced between the 2 should not be beyond the capabilities of a manager.....but possibly beyond Partridge Pardew.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 20 Dec 16 4.37pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

to put in simple terms we have 21 games left and we have to win at least 9 of them to stand a good chance of staying in this league.
Therefore a spell of AP type football with a host of 1-0 wins would do fine but can AP do that!

 

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