Petros and using statistics to recruit players
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 Dan1994  Wallington 12 Jan 17 10.21pm |
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Just read this on a football stats website (statsbomb) that I frequent: "Agents Pitch for Petros to Crystal Palace Petros is absolutely an ideal deep-lying midfielder for your team. He completes passes at a rate way ahead of his Betis teammates. On a team that is overall well-below average (-160 completions below expected), he is +30 completions. These are generally safe passes played out wide, but he’s great at doing it and that’s exactly what you guys need. You often struggle with getting the ball to your wingers to start attacks, MacArthur and Ledley are both below-average passers and are playing big minutes for you in Petros’s position, grab him for an upgrade that you really need in a season where every point is crucial. If you are worried it will weaken your defense, don’t be. Petros has 7.5 won tackles or interceptions per game while Ledley + MacArthur combine for 6.8 between them. He does the defensive work of both while outpassing them by leaps and bounds." I think using statistics in shaping teams, analysing them and using them to recruit future players is very interesting. I suppose there are several questions here: 1) Thoughts on the original quote?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jan 17 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Dan1994
Just read this on a football stats website (statsbomb) that I frequent: "Agents Pitch for Petros to Crystal Palace Petros is absolutely an ideal deep-lying midfielder for your team. He completes passes at a rate way ahead of his Betis teammates. On a team that is overall well-below average (-160 completions below expected), he is +30 completions. These are generally safe passes played out wide, but he’s great at doing it and that’s exactly what you guys need. You often struggle with getting the ball to your wingers to start attacks, MacArthur and Ledley are both below-average passers and are playing big minutes for you in Petros’s position, grab him for an upgrade that you really need in a season where every point is crucial. If you are worried it will weaken your defense, don’t be. Petros has 7.5 won tackles or interceptions per game while Ledley + MacArthur combine for 6.8 between them. He does the defensive work of both while outpassing them by leaps and bounds." I think using statistics in shaping teams, analysing them and using them to recruit future players is very interesting. I suppose there are several questions here: 1) Thoughts on the original quote? I've used squawka for holradio research.
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chateauferret  13 Jan 17 8.23am |
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I don't know about statistics but it's certainly possible for a star player to be found at a club which, for whatever reason is low down in its league. Zaha, for instance.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 13 Jan 17 8.55am |
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Originally posted by Dan1994
Just read this on a football stats website (statsbomb) that I frequent: "Agents Pitch for Petros to Crystal Palace Petros is absolutely an ideal deep-lying midfielder for your team. He completes passes at a rate way ahead of his Betis teammates. On a team that is overall well-below average (-160 completions below expected), he is +30 completions. These are generally safe passes played out wide, but he’s great at doing it and that’s exactly what you guys need. You often struggle with getting the ball to your wingers to start attacks, MacArthur and Ledley are both below-average passers and are playing big minutes for you in Petros’s position, grab him for an upgrade that you really need in a season where every point is crucial. If you are worried it will weaken your defense, don’t be. Petros has 7.5 won tackles or interceptions per game while Ledley + MacArthur combine for 6.8 between them. He does the defensive work of both while outpassing them by leaps and bounds." I think using statistics in shaping teams, analysing them and using them to recruit future players is very interesting. I suppose there are several questions here: 1) Thoughts on the original quote? They are useful but on their own can be incredibly misleading. You could stick me in the middle of a Barcelona team and my stats would look good. Considerations include what league does the player play in, team set up etc. Stats don't tell you the character of the person, for instance look at Payet. They should be used to support Managers & Coaches decisions not dictate them. I saw an analogy when talking about moneyball along the lines of Football is not a mathematical equation That is where our Romanian friend in TT gets carried away
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| mattteo 13 Jan 17 9.06am |
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I don't actually. I don't like Petros' type of players. They pass the ball to the defenders and left and right and they have amazing passing statistics.
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| Dan1994 Wallington 13 Jan 17 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
They are useful but on their own can be incredibly misleading. You could stick me in the middle of a Barcelona team and my stats would look good. Considerations include what league does the player play in, team set up etc. Stats don't tell you the character of the person, for instance look at Payet. They should be used to support Managers & Coaches decisions not dictate them. I saw an analogy when talking about moneyball along the lines of Football is not a mathematical equation That is where our Romanian friend in TT gets carried away As much as I love the use of statistics in football, I do agree, this is where it falls massively short, and I don't think you can ever really quantify this (certainly at present at least). I think an approach whereby the use of statistics aids scouting, rather than the be all end all. I know that Southampton and Bournemouth (I think) have employed this when recruiting overseas players, and Southampton have used it (up until Puel) to successfully recruit new managers.
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| Hudsoneagle 13 Jan 17 6.05pm |
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I'd prefer to look at shooting opportunities created rather than simply assists. If you focus only on assists then you can tend to punish the creator for poor finishing when chances don't get converted.
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| mattteo 13 Jan 17 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Hudsoneagle
I'd prefer to look at shooting opportunities created rather than simply assists. Define shooting opportunities. It's unquantifiable. Everybody has a different definition of what that is. whoscored adds them in a way, other sites add them differently, every individual watching adds them differently. While assists and goals (excluding penalties) are the end product and objective.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 13 Jan 17 8.24pm |
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Maybe being an analyst isn't all that.
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| Hudsoneagle 13 Jan 17 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Define shooting opportunities. It's unquantifiable. Everybody has a different definition of what that is. whoscored adds them in a way, other sites add them differently, every individual watching adds them differently. While assists and goals (excluding penalties) are the end product and objective. what I meant was a pass that leads to a shot and that is a statistic that is regularly looked at in football by analysts. The point being that if Papa Soure sets up Bolasie and Bolasie sky's it because his shooting is shocking, then it recognises the contribution of Papa rather than totally overlooking it due to poor finishing. For me if you find a player with a very high score of passes leading to shots then with or without a high assists return, if your confident in the finishing at your club then you might see that player as a good acquisition.
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| buzzby West Sussex 14 Jan 17 12.48am |
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Originally posted by Dan1994
Just read this on a football stats website (statsbomb) that I frequent: "Agents Pitch for Petros to Crystal Palace Petros is absolutely an ideal deep-lying midfielder for your team. He completes passes at a rate way ahead of his Betis teammates. On a team that is overall well-below average (-160 completions below expected), he is +30 completions. These are generally safe passes played out wide, but he’s great at doing it and that’s exactly what you guys need. You often struggle with getting the ball to your wingers to start attacks, MacArthur and Ledley are both below-average passers and are playing big minutes for you in Petros’s position, grab him for an upgrade that you really need in a season where every point is crucial. If you are worried it will weaken your defense, don’t be. Petros has 7.5 won tackles or interceptions per game while Ledley + MacArthur combine for 6.8 between them. He does the defensive work of both while outpassing them by leaps and bounds." I think using statistics in shaping teams, analysing them and using them to recruit future players is very interesting. I suppose there are several questions here: 1) Thoughts on the original quote? What a crock of
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| mattteo 14 Jan 17 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hudsoneagle
what I meant was a pass that leads to a shot
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