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View Shootylooty's Profile Shootylooty Flag Croydon 05 Feb 17 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Shootylooty Add Shootylooty as a friend

CPFC is renowned for the wholehearted support of it's team through good times and bad. We are renowned as the loudest, noisiest most supportive fans in the league. As a season ticket holder, I attend all home matches and watch away matches on telly compliments of Amazon Firestick. Even when we play away - it's our fans that you can hear singing above the oppositions fans - so why doesn't that support translate positively at home? I was ashamed our players were booed yesterday - even though they conceded extremely sloppy goals. We had the majority of possession, but looked really nervous and uncomfortable on the ball. The players didn't play with the tenacity of a team facing relegation with the exception of Wilf in the first half and Remy and Townsend in the second. Why doesn't our support help to raise their game? Are they intimidated by the level of support at home and fear that they can't deliver? They're obviously extremely mentally fragile and booing them doesn't help one bit - no matter how disappointed we are in their performance.

 


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View Dan1994's Profile Dan1994 Flag Wallington 05 Feb 17 1.02pm Send a Private Message to Dan1994 Add Dan1994 as a friend

I didn't boo yesterday, but I did join in with the "you're not fit to wear the shirt" chants. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't, but it was completely heat of the moment as I was angry and upset. I will still go as much as I can afford, and I will support the team in any way I can - there is no point giving up hope on the team, as we are here now and have to make do.

I think we have always been worse at home than away, even in the Championship. I think this stems mainly from the tactics we are associated with: defensive displays combined with counter attacking football. Obviously, the home team usually is the one who is meant to be on the attack, hence teams seem to figure us out in that regard. I think that, combined with our horrendous form over the past year, everything has snowballed and snowballed to a point where there is no confidence and no hope.

Here are some stats for the worst home records in the PL:

HCFC - 2008/09 - 14pts (3W 5D)
AVFC - 2015/16 - 11pts (2W 5D)
SAFC - 2002/03 - 11pts (3W 2D)
CPFC - 1997/98 - 11pts (2W 5D)
DCFC - 2007/08 - 8pts (1W 5D)
SAFC - 2005/06 - 7pts (1W 4D)

Of these teams, only Hull stayed up (and not finish bottom).

 


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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 05 Feb 17 1.12pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Shootylooty

CPFC is renowned for the wholehearted support of it's team through good times and bad. We are renowned as the loudest, noisiest most supportive fans in the league. As a season ticket holder, I attend all home matches and watch away matches on telly compliments of Amazon Firestick. Even when we play away - it's our fans that you can hear singing above the oppositions fans - so why doesn't that support translate positively at home? I was ashamed our players were booed yesterday - even though they conceded extremely sloppy goals. We had the majority of possession, but looked really nervous and uncomfortable on the ball. The players didn't play with the tenacity of a team facing relegation with the exception of Wilf in the first half and Remy and Townsend in the second. Why doesn't our support help to raise their game? Are they intimidated by the level of support at home and fear that they can't deliver? They're obviously extremely mentally fragile and booing them doesn't help one bit - no matter how disappointed we are in their performance.

I actually think that's something of a myth. We have a drum and some blokes droning away in a corner, largely with material that most of the rest of the ground either doesn't know or join in with. And we have a group at the back of the Arthur, who do a sterling job of trying to keep the 'classics' alive. The rest of the ground is pretty much like anyone else's.

As for away games on TV/radio, much of the apparent superiority of away supporter noise comes from the way stands are miked up, generally favouring the away area. If you are actually at an away game, amongst our support, then quite obviously it will be the loudest. It could only be judged in relative terms from a more neural area.

 


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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 05 Feb 17 1.37pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

I actually think that's something of a myth. We have a drum and some blokes droning away in a corner, largely with material that most of the rest of the ground either doesn't know or join in with. And we have a group at the back of the Arthur, who do a sterling job of trying to keep the 'classics' alive. The rest of the ground is pretty much like anyone else's.

As for away games on TV/radio, much of the apparent superiority of away supporter noise comes from the way stands are miked up, generally favouring the away area. If you are actually at an away game, amongst our support, then quite obviously it will be the loudest. It could only be judged in relative terms from a more neural area.

This ^^. The TV cameras always focus on the HF with their drum and the bouncing up and down. I've never been sure what the point in that is. They seems to sing the same songs largely regardless of what is happening on the pitch. WE know we're red and blue - why do we have to keep singing it? In the past, chants of 'Come on Palace' or 'Stevie Coppell's Red and Blue Army' or 'Eaaaagles' at least had a point and purpose.

 

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View Shootylooty's Profile Shootylooty Flag Croydon 05 Feb 17 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Shootylooty Add Shootylooty as a friend

Originally posted by Dan1994

I didn't boo yesterday, but I did join in with the "you're not fit to wear the shirt" chants. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't, but it was completely heat of the moment as I was angry and upset. I will still go as much as I can afford, and I will support the team in any way I can - there is no point giving up hope on the team, as we are here now and have to make do.

I think we have always been worse at home than away, even in the Championship. I think this stems mainly from the tactics we are associated with: defensive displays combined with counter attacking football. Obviously, the home team usually is the one who is meant to be on the attack, hence teams seem to figure us out in that regard. I think that, combined with our horrendous form over the past year, everything has snowballed and snowballed to a point where there is no confidence and no hope.

Here are some stats for the worst home records in the PL:

HCFC - 2008/09 - 14pts (3W 5D)
AVFC - 2015/16 - 11pts (2W 5D)
SAFC - 2002/03 - 11pts (3W 2D)
CPFC - 1997/98 - 11pts (2W 5D)
DCFC - 2007/08 - 8pts (1W 5D)
SAFC - 2005/06 - 7pts (1W 4D)

Of these teams, only Hull stayed up (and not finish bottom).

Agree - historically we've always been a counter attacking side. We definitely lack ideas and composure going forward against a side that keeps it's shape and defends well when playing away from home at Selhurst. We seem to lack the guile to break them down and often give the ball away too easily and then get caught by a counter attack ourselves! ALL the players need to realise we can't afford to give the ball away so cheaply and how important it is to work hard when out of possession. Importantly the side has got to turn up and put a full shift in as well - working hard, tackling back and making themselves available, rather than being shy and off loading the ball as soon as possible then walking (a la Puncheon)! We seem to play with more intensity away from home - but the fact that we're historically a counter attacking side - can't be the only reason? We have to produce a better performance against Stoke away and at the next home game against Middlesbrough - I'm fearful that the players will lose the support of the home fans and urge other fans not to boo - it's now that the team NEEDS our support most!

 


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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 05 Feb 17 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Remy for Puncheon at home, gives us options down the wing and through the middle, Benteke plays 10 times better and we dont have to just rely on catching teams on the break. When Sunderland sat back in the 2nd half the team had no idea how to break them down (wasnt from a lack of trying to their credit) but Benteke on his own does not work. Not at home anyway...

 

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