Regarding Pardew
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 coulsdoneagle  London 11 Apr 17 4.00pm |
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Seems across these boards he is pretty universally hated. On almost all threads people lay in to him, indeed I have done it before. I have to say I am somewhat surprised. He has only his egotistical self to blame as we all saw the warning signs long before he did and if he'd stayed he would have taken us down, I'm not disputing that. I wanted him gone after the end of last season when a lot of people were saying I was being stupid and we had the FA cup final etc. However, the hate he gets is a little bit strange. I am grateful for the season he kept us up and the players he brought in, I will always respect him for that, I am grateful for the great memories of the FA cup run and some of the scalps along the way. The player Zaha has become is in a large part down to Pardew, Sam has sped up the process but even before he came when we were crap from the second half of last season Zaha has been excellent and matured. Ironically it's under Pardew he got better at defending and Allardyce improved the final product even more. Benteke, Cabaye, Townsend, Tomkins are all part of Pardews legacy, and while the end of his tenure is soured, I won't ever say I hate the man. He made a lot of mistakes and was rightly fired but I think it's important to remember there were some pretty good times along the way.
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| Gooner101 11 Apr 17 4.03pm |
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Pardew is absolutely s***. I think Sam's proved it. This team was always good enough to be at least midtable, that you were ever in a relegation battle is a damning indictment of how s*** Pardew is. There's a reason Newcastle fans hate him. His level was always lower midtable except one fluke season. No matter how s*** or good the players were, that's all he aimed for. He can't coach a team to defend. He's not an attacking manager by nature, he puts 10 men behind the ball and still can't defend. He's a League 1 manager that got promoted well beyond his remit by Mike Ashley, and then at Palace. You escaped his clutches in time to survive and hopefully thrive. Three to four years in and you'll be solidly midtable and ready to kick on even more, maybe under Big Sam, maybe you'll sack him off then. Regardless, he's far better than Pardew, who's absolutely lucky to have ever managed a PL team, let alone two. Mind, I'm not passing judgement on him as a player or person, but as a manager, he has an ego, and has done zilch to back that ego up Edit: Also doubt majority of your fans hate him, they just think he's a horrendous manager and they're right Edited by Gooner101 (11 Apr 2017 4.05pm)
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 11 Apr 17 4.04pm |
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I can't hate Pardew. Poor player slightly better manager. I remember the ironic chants of Super Alan Pardew, but "WHO PUT THE BALL IN THE SCOUSERS NET?"
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Kermit8  Hevon 11 Apr 17 4.11pm |
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I tell you what - let's wait until Sam get's Palace better than tenth and wins a cup before we can all actually lay into Pardew properly and his 40% win ratio and give him the stick he will then truly deserve. The people who still slag him off are just 'fans' who have followed, like the good sheep they are, the geordie above their station mentality.
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Rudi Hedman  Caterham 11 Apr 17 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I tell you what - let's wait until Sam get's Palace better than tenth and wins a cup before we can all actually lay into Pardew properly and his 40% win ratio and give him the stick he will then truly deserve. The people who still slag him off are just 'fans' who have followed, like the good sheep they are, the geordie above their station mentality.
No it's because of the gradual and continuous erosion of professionalism under Pardew combined with the inevitable runs of 6 losses in the spin. Sam is a professional, Pardew is a pretender. Whenever Sam leaves I bet you he will leave us in a good state. Pardew left us in the inevitable mess we foresaw in May 2016 and whenever he deservedly was going to have to go. May as well have been then, or after west Brom, West Ham, Burnley, hull or Swansea. Shambles. I bet you however many pound notes he leaves us in a better state. That is what counts over time, not who threw everything at it and rode his luck while it lasted. Have you watched the Arsenal post match video on the HOL? The difference between 'I got it right today' or 'The players weren't quite on it today/ didn't have that quality' compared to a detailed analysis of them and us and how Sam went about it is very telling. It makes me laugh when I hear failed ex players who've coached and been sacked say Sam concentrates 90% on set pieces. That'll do us as he'll be here longer. And on the subject of the cup run and final. It was at the expense of the league in that season and possibly this season as well. Good networker though it seems. Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Apr 2017 4.30pm)
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| davehuggins 11 Apr 17 4.52pm |
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Hate is far to strong, he is a very poor manager who has been found out. He must be looking at himself very closely now and I doubt he will ever get another job in the PL.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 17 4.52pm |
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Compare this article on what Sam has done compared to what Pardew didn't do and included in it is some of the baffling and negligent management by Pardew. My God are we lucky Parish corrected it with Sam and Sam was able to do it in time or up in smoke our chance to reach our potential goes yet again. Edited by Rudi Hedman (11 Apr 2017 5.51pm)
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Ray in Houston  Houston 11 Apr 17 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I tell you what - let's wait until Sam get's Palace better than tenth and wins a cup before we can all actually lay into Pardew properly and his 40% win ratio and give him the stick he will then truly deserve. The people who still slag him off are just 'fans' who have followed, like the good sheep they are, the geordie above their station mentality. Sam's palace has just won almost as many games in a month as Pardew's Palace won in a year.
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| est1905 11 Apr 17 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
Seems across these boards he is pretty universally hated. On almost all threads people lay in to him, indeed I have done it before. I have to say I am somewhat surprised. He has only his egotistical self to blame as we all saw the warning signs long before he did and if he'd stayed he would have taken us down, I'm not disputing that. I wanted him gone after the end of last season when a lot of people were saying I was being stupid and we had the FA cup final etc. However, the hate he gets is a little bit strange. I am grateful for the season he kept us up and the players he brought in, I will always respect him for that, I am grateful for the great memories of the FA cup run and some of the scalps along the way. The player Zaha has become is in a large part down to Pardew, Sam has sped up the process but even before he came when we were crap from the second half of last season Zaha has been excellent and matured. Ironically it's under Pardew he got better at defending and Allardyce improved the final product even more. Benteke, Cabaye, Townsend, Tomkins are all part of Pardews legacy, and while the end of his tenure is soured, I won't ever say I hate the man. He made a lot of mistakes and was rightly fired but I think it's important to remember there were some pretty good times along the way. Its a shame when you think a player that didn't give a stuff about the club but scored an important goal when he played for us or achieved great things (for himself which in turn helped the club) can return after his career is over and no longer has a big contract and we all welcome him with open arms.
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| coulsdoneagle London 11 Apr 17 6.00pm |
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He wasn't the manager we hoped he could be he was obviously a great man manager when he had the players on side, as that started to change his lack of skill was found out. He was stubborn and should have gone earlier. However what he did for the infrastructure around the club and the changes he put in place will be something we will reap the benefits of in years to come. The only manager since Dougie to give a couple of kids a game. I think if we stay up opinion may change and we will see his tenure in a slightly more positive light as an important part of the PL establishment of our club. I'm not praising the man just want to have a bit of perspective. Edited by coulsdoneagle (11 Apr 2017 6.02pm)
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| babylonjohn St Leonards-on-Sea 11 Apr 17 6.30pm |
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I dont hate him but he did con us for a while into thinking he knew what he was doing. The geordies were right and he turned out to be a chancer and I dislike him now for taking chances with the club I love.
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| AdventureEagle Guildford 11 Apr 17 10.14pm |
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I think there's a lot of fans out there who at the very least dislike him a lot! I think he deserves better than that. A lot of people on here wanted him gone earlier and as we can now see, it was for the best. However, many asked in return "Who out there is better?". This wasn't answered with any real options. SA came about through timing. He was available and we were the prime candidates to get him on board. 12 months earlier he went to Sunderland. If we'd got him then, he'd have left us for England. If he had kept his mouth shut, he'd still be with England. There are more failed PL managers who have been fired for not being able to stem a tide. There are lots of foreign managers and young British managers untested in the PL. I still believe at the time, AP was our best option. Now we have a better option, everyone should be happy. I look back at some of the managers we've had over the past decade. Several not fit to manage a decent Championship side (something we weren't most seasons). Seven years ago we almost ceased to exist (again). People who still want to put AP down need to let go and move on. He was our best option, he deserved a chance and got one. Now we have a manager who hopefully can take us up the level that AP tried to do unsuccessfully.
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