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View Beastie's Profile Beastie Flag 24 Apr 17 3.19pm Send a Private Message to Beastie Add Beastie as a friend

I believe in the magic of the cup. When I’m on my deathbed, I’d like to look back at the day Palace lifted a major trophy. Remembering that good run in the premier league might not cut it.

But what the people want is Premier League status. Is there anyone who would swap the current revival if it meant that Puncheon goal had won us the FA Cup last May?

 

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View cpking191's Profile cpking191 Flag Georgia 24 Apr 17 3.23pm Send a Private Message to cpking191 Add cpking191 as a friend

It's a tough question. On the one hand, winning the Cup would have been fantastic, but probably wouldn't have meant much for improving a competing in the future if we hadn't turned it around and stayed up this season. I think staying in the top flight next year will do more to continue strengthening the squad for future and possibly contend for more silverware in the coming years, so no, I would not swap.

 


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glaziermart Flag 24 Apr 17 3.36pm

It is a balancing act. If we had won the FA Cup last season, we would not have had the squad at the beginning of this season to cope with the Europa League and with Pardew making a mess of things, we could have been in an even worse position by Christmas. At the end of the day, all that really matters is the 140 Million you get for staying in the Premier League. In the long term we could end up winning Cups on a fairly regular basis by staying in the Premier, who knows, because of the vast riches on offer

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Apr 17 3.39pm

Well we made the final last season, and it had absolutely no impact on our league form which was s**t.

Have a crack at doing our best in both maybe. Put out the strongest side in the FA cup.

League cup - no one gives a f** about that unless they reach the quarter finals, then they start giving a f**k.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 24 Apr 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by Beastie

I believe in the magic of the cup. When I’m on my deathbed, I’d like to look back at the day Palace lifted a major trophy. Remembering that good run in the premier league might not cut it.

But what the people want is Premier League status. Is there anyone who would swap the current revival if it meant that Puncheon goal had won us the FA Cup last May?

Its a good question - would probably agree with you.
Things could be much worse though - we could have lost the final and gone down this year. All the time we are the the top flight we have the money to potentially win the cup another year.

 


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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 24 Apr 17 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

I find it hard to see how I could have a better day out as a Palace fan than if we'd won the FA Cup last season, especially beating Utd. Hell, even though we didn't win it, I had a brilliant day out with my Dad at Wembley, and I even look back on the post-game pint near London Bridge with a bit of fondness.

Yes, we can strengthen the squad and it would have been a big blow to get relegated. However, that strengthening of the squad would surely be so we could compete in the cup competitions anyway. We might have an outside chance of sneaking a Europa League place, but our most realistic chance of success and getting in to Europe is the cups isn't it?

In which case, I'd find it hard to trade away winning the thing for the chance to maybe win the thing with some different players and a better manager in the future.

 


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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 24 Apr 17 3.40pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

The question was asked last year "win the cup at the cost of the league?"

Well in the end we didn't win the cup and we played like a bunch of divs in the league for several months afterwards.

I was salivating about the cup but frankly now I'd be happy to go out in round three every year if we can make progress in the league and improve our infrastructure along the way.

Edited by Part Time James (24 Apr 2017 3.41pm)

 




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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 24 Apr 17 3.40pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well we made the final last season, and it had absolutely no impact on our league form which was s**t.

Have a crack at doing our best in both maybe. Put out the strongest side in the FA cup.

League cup - no one gives a f** about that unless they reach the quarter finals, then they start giving a f**k.

Doesn't mean it's not worth going after it. It's winnable, but you generally still have to beat a decent team to do it so it's not worthless. It's a major trophy with European football on offer as well.

 


Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 24 Apr 17 3.54pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Username

I find it hard to see how I could have a better day out as a Palace fan than if we'd won the FA Cup last season, especially beating Utd. Hell, even though we didn't win it, I had a brilliant day out with my Dad at Wembley, and I even look back on the post-game pint near London Bridge with a bit of fondness.

Yes, we can strengthen the squad and it would have been a big blow to get relegated. However, that strengthening of the squad would surely be so we could compete in the cup competitions anyway. We might have an outside chance of sneaking a Europa League place, but our most realistic chance of success and getting in to Europe is the cups isn't it?

In which case, I'd find it hard to trade away winning the thing for the chance to maybe win the thing with some different players and a better manager in the future.


Coventry City won the cup a while ago. Now? They're about to be relegated into League Two.

I'm no fan of how the Premier League seems to suck all the air (and money) out of the domestic game but, while it continues to do so, I want Palace to be part of it.

We have much more chance of winning a cup with a squad put together on the back of Premier League moolah, than do, say, Coventry, on the back of money-spinning away games at Cheltenham, Yeovil, Crawley and Morecambe.

 


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View Username's Profile Username Flag Horsham 24 Apr 17 4.02pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Coventry City won the cup a while ago. Now? They're about to be relegated into League Two.

I'm no fan of how the Premier League seems to suck all the air (and money) out of the domestic game but, while it continues to do so, I want Palace to be part of it.

We have much more chance of winning a cup with a squad put together on the back of Premier League moolah, than do, say, Coventry, on the back of money-spinning away games at Cheltenham, Yeovil, Crawley and Morecambe.

That's why this particular question doesn't make much sense to me. You're turning down winning the cup for the chance to maybe win the cup?

Besides, Coventry is a pretty extreme example with far more complex matters linked to it. They were a top division side for 17 years after they won the cup!


 


Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 24 Apr 17 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Username

That's why this particular question doesn't make much sense to me. You're turning down winning the cup for the chance to maybe win the cup?

Besides, Coventry is a pretty extreme example with far more complex matters linked to it. They were a top division side for 17 years after they won the cup!

I am turning down winning the cup for the long-term greater good of the club of Premier League status. Had we won the cup but been relegated, which was your "Sophie's Choice" premise, then we'd have a shiny bit of silverware for a cabinet while the club was dumped back into the monkey s***-fight that is the Championship.

Think of all that could go wrong in that scenario: we lose a bunch of our best players - and probably the manager - as they trigger transfers to Premier League sides; we don't make it back before the parachute payments run out; we lose American investment as we're no longer on worldwide telly; we don't get the ground redeveloped and we're right back in an uncertain financial future.

How is any of that worth the fleeting kudos of the cup win that will bring with it the trials of Europa League fixtures on top of the clogged, leg-sapping Championship schedule?

You think Coventry is delving back too far? Ok, Wigan.

FA Cup winners and relegatees - and now about to drop into League One unless they can beat playoff contenders Reading and Leeds while 'Appy 'Arry coincidentally fails to get Birmingham a single point.

The club will not suffer long term effects for not having won the FA Cup. Relegation from the Premiership, at this point in our recovery from administration, is an existential crisis.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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View bexleydave's Profile bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 24 Apr 17 4.31pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I am turning down winning the cup for the long-term greater good of the club of Premier League status. Had we won the cup but been relegated, which was your "Sophie's Choice" premise, then we'd have a shiny bit of silverware for a cabinet while the club was dumped back into the monkey s***-fight that is the Championship.

Think of all that could go wrong in that scenario: we lose a bunch of our best players - and probably the manager - as they trigger transfers to Premier League sides; we don't make it back before the parachute payments run out; we lose American investment as we're no longer on worldwide telly; we don't get the ground redeveloped and we're right back in an uncertain financial future.

How is any of that worth the fleeting kudos of the cup win that will bring with it the trials of Europa League fixtures on top of the clogged, leg-sapping Championship schedule?

You think Coventry is delving back too far? Ok, Wigan.

FA Cup winners and relegatees - and now about to drop into League One unless they can beat playoff contenders Reading and Leeds while 'Appy 'Arry coincidentally fails to get Birmingham a single point.

The club will not suffer long term effects for not having won the FA Cup. Relegation from the Premiership, at this point in our recovery from administration, is an existential crisis.

Well, that sums up exactly what I think and put much better than I could have done.

 


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