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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 28 Sep 17 5.58pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

84 players have appeared in the league for the club since we won promotion

How many of those can you honestly say were better after a year playing for us in the EPL

Zaha and Bolasie for sure. Souare, arguably
After that??

We have only survived with enough astute signings to come in, do a job and then fade

Rinse and repeat. Looks like that's over

Not sure if it's poor training, coaching turnover, inadequate facilities

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 28 Sep 17 6.06pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Short termism means many managers are reluctant to play kids = coupled with poor coaching, so many clubs, including our own, miss out on opportunities to really add value.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 28 Sep 17 6.11pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Chris you are right
But surely Roy has nish to lose by playing kids
We are in the mire and how can it get worse.
Try the kids even with the thought of the championship next year.
If nothing it might show a raw nugget who could minimum put bums on seats.
Problem being that if an offer comes for a player with potential are we selling.
Is there a deeper reason a few kids are not getting games and is it until we are safe of down they will go on show
Cynical !!!!????

 

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View jimruss's Profile jimruss Flag Sidcup 28 Sep 17 6.12pm Send a Private Message to jimruss Add jimruss as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

84 players have appeared in the league for the club since we won promotion

How many of those can you honestly say were better after a year playing for us in the EPL

Zaha and Bolasie for sure. Souare, arguably
After that??

We have only survived with enough astute signings to come in, do a job and then fade

Rinse and repeat. Looks like that's over

Not sure if it's poor training, coaching turnover, inadequate facilities

Something I've not really thought of but I'd say it's a combination of all three. We're a premier league club with league one facilities, we don't have much of an academy to speak of, I read on here that our under 18's play at goals? If that's correct? Zaha and bolasie improved without question, Soare I'm not convinced, that may be clouded by his comeback from the accident. I always used to think that he couldn't defend but had something going forward, I doubt much has changed.

Clinton Morrison, Chris Armstrong, Andy Preece, three of my favourite players and arguably improved whilst here, albeit quite a while ago. Recently under the current regime I'm struggling

 

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 28 Sep 17 7.01pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Delaney improved. Sure he's aged now but he grew in his first year in the prem I thought.

 




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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 28 Sep 17 7.15pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

It's a very good point. I'm looking forward to Christmas when RLC will have had all of his good qualities trained out of him and be as bad as puncheon.

 

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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 28 Sep 17 7.15pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

Delaney improved. Sure he's aged now but he grew in his first year in the prem I thought.

That's true. Also Townsend may be better than when he arrived but he was crap until Pardew left

 

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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 28 Sep 17 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

84 players have appeared in the league for the club since we won promotion

How many of those can you honestly say were better after a year playing for us in the EPL

Zaha and Bolasie for sure. Souare, arguably
After that??

We have only survived with enough astute signings to come in, do a job and then fade

Rinse and repeat. Looks like that's over

Not sure if it's poor training, coaching turnover, inadequate facilities

Think you can also add poor purchases into that list. Not sure how many have come through in that 84. The best training in the world wouldn't get them anywhere near the level required in the PL. The rot started early with Ollie and his sweet shop spree and every manager since has taken long punts with players. Hopefully if we do fall through the door this season I hope we don't come back (if we do) and do exactly the same. We need a small amount of quality than a mass of mediocrity. Spend early as waiting for a bargain/doing a deal at the death won't work. None has pushed any youth forward even in the very brief times when we had a couple of safe games. This won't change, even now, as we are scrapping for points in every match but might change if we do drop. Another issue on the other side of the coin is that some players clearly haven't been prepared to put in the graft either, even though they have the ability.

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 28 Sep 17 7.57pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Doesn't help that the club have gone for a number of 'marguee' signings which translates as players who have had their best days and are now fading but still want a decent pay cheque.

 

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View alaneagle1's Profile alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 28 Sep 17 8.41pm Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Speroni improved after Hennessey was signed.
Remember we went up a level.
Making it even harder for a youngster to come through.

 


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chateauferret Flag 28 Sep 17 9.06pm

Originally posted by alaneagle1

Speroni improved after Hennessey was signed.
Remember we went up a level.
Making it even harder for a youngster to come through.

I'd say the following have improved especially since the departure of Pardew:

Cabaye
Tomkins

Ward and Kelly were better under Allardyce and alongside Sakho than they had been before but then de Boer pardewed them again.

Zaha is the only one who improved under Pardew. Everyone else suffered from his anti-Midas touch that turns everything to s***.

Bumfluff has also improved out of all recognition. He used to f*** up our attack on a regular basis, now he's hundreds of miles away.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Sep 17 9.24pm

Originally posted by pssguy

84 players have appeared in the league for the club since we won promotion

How many of those can you honestly say were better after a year playing for us in the EPL

Zaha and Bolasie for sure. Souare, arguably
After that??

We have only survived with enough astute signings to come in, do a job and then fade

Rinse and repeat. Looks like that's over

Not sure if it's poor training, coaching turnover, inadequate facilities

Its an interesting point to raise.

Very different to the Coppell era when most were either from youth or non/lower leagues and went on to be stars.

Makes you wonder how good Coppell could have been had he a bigger budget.

 


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