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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Oct 17 12.36pm

Surprised this hasn't been brought up yet.

According to TM at pmqs just now, 4 out of 5 people using UC are satisfied with it.

That still leaves 20% dissatisfied.

Good idea badly implemented? Lots if reports of people being evicted because they have to wait so long for any support.
What do others think? Anyone experienced UC, it's been rolled out in Croydon.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Oct 17 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Surprised this hasn't been brought up yet.

According to TM at pmqs just now, 4 out of 5 people using UC are satisfied with it.

That still leaves 20% dissatisfied.

Good idea badly implemented? Lots if reports of people being evicted because they have to wait so long for any support.
What do others think? Anyone experienced UC, it's been rolled out in Croydon.

I think you are a Labour Party drone who spends most of his life trying to bad mouth the Tories.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Oct 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think you are a Labour Party drone who spends most of his life trying to bad mouth the Tories.

Oh dear. Sorry that people might want to debate about things wot are in the news.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 25 Oct 17 1.07pm

Lots of people evicted because of the benefits cap ?

and also they do not pay rent direct to landlords anymore, giving all the cash to claimants

You can talk about nasty tories and the poorest in society bearing the brunt for austerity cuts etc but I feel this misses the point slightly, the idea is that people are weened off benefits and we stop the benefits culture.

More should be done about minimum wage though, lower corporation tax and business rates and increase the minimum wage. Then work really will pay

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 25 Oct 17 1.16pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

It has been brought up in parliament with a 300 vote majority (tories abstained too ashamed) for labour and others.

The motion to halt it, sort it out so people are not evicted etc.

However like the EU vote it is an advisory vote and, unlike the EU vote they just carried on anyway.

Like anything the main thing is it does not happen to you but it is an outrage.

Poverty is being reborn in society by the conservatives deliberately.


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Oct 17 1.18pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Lots of people evicted because of the benefits cap ?

and also they do not pay rent direct to landlords anymore, giving all the cash to claimants

You can talk about nasty tories and the poorest in society bearing the brunt for austerity cuts etc but I feel this misses the point slightly, the idea is that people are weened off benefits and we stop the benefits culture.

More should be done about minimum wage though, lower corporation tax and business rates and increase the minimum wage. Then work really will pay

As I said good idea badly administered. The wait of over 6 weeks to get any money is far too long. Those in social housing can probably get away with missing a couple of rent payments but those in private rented accommodation are finding landlords aren't quite so accommodating, this is the sector where evictions are happening.

Good to see TM announce the lifting of the benefit cap towards social housing rents.
Another u turn brought about by that weak opposition everyone kept saying were cr AP.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Oct 17 1.20pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Lots of people evicted because of the benefits cap ?

and also they do not pay rent direct to landlords anymore, giving all the cash to claimants

You can talk about nasty tories and the poorest in society bearing the brunt for austerity cuts etc but I feel this misses the point slightly, the idea is that people are weened off benefits and we stop the benefits culture.

More should be done about minimum wage though, lower corporation tax and business rates and increase the minimum wage. Then work really will pay

BINGO!! But seriously, benefits in the UK pays s**t, and most people claiming universal credit and tax credits, work 16 hours a week to top up their benefits.

I don't think you can 'ween people' off benefits, without having a viable alternative (which is jobs that pay reasonable wages) or capping rents etc.

I'd say its reasonable to tie a cut in corporation tax and business rates, to a rise in the minimum wage.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 25 Oct 17 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think you are a Labour Party drone who spends most of his life trying to bad mouth the Tories.

I think that you should either make an attempt to answer the question or go forth and multiply

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Oct 17 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that you should either make an attempt to answer the question or go forth and multiply

Of course you do.

 

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View CambridgeEagle's Profile CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 25 Oct 17 3.08pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

UC a good idea in theory, but bungled (like most other things) by the government for ideological reasons and ineptitude.

Makes work pay as long as you don't actually get a job as the taper rate is effectively a 63% tax rate (imagine the reaction on here and among Tory grandees if that was the top tax rate).

Things like payment in arrears and unifying the system is all well and good but it has to be done competently and with proper transitional arrangements. Also the fact that cash no longer goes directly to social landlords is such a bad idea.

A universal basic income, combined with proper top rates of tax, fair taxation of capital (vs income) would be a much better idea, easier to administer and have significant benefits to people's productivity. It would also have a massive beneficial impact on mental health.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Oct 17 3.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

and also they do not pay rent direct to landlords anymore, giving all the cash to claimants

This is where it falls down.
Easy to spend and give it large to rent.
Some maybe knowing that whatever they will be rehoused.
I said ' maybe'
I understand the delay in payments but not many courts would sanction this eviction if you proved it was out of your control.
I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong but logic says it won't happen often if at all.


 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 25 Oct 17 3.42pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Sadly don't know enough about it to comment

 


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