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leifandersonshair Newport 13 Nov 17 7.43pm
Can't really argue with any of the names so far, but PVA really is just terrible. A not great player to start with whose confidence has gone
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Can't really argue with any of the names so far, but PVA really is just terrible. A not great player to start with whose confidence has gone

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samprior Hamburg 13 Nov 17 7.51pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine In no particular order: Benteke: not looked a threat when fit, although willing to put it down to De Boers tactics Puncheon: completely lost it sadly. Too slow on the ball, always plays backwards. Reidewald: looks so out his depth, worst debut performance I’ve ever seen for Palace. He’s young so should improve Hennessey: confidence shot, needs replacing in Jan. don’t think he’s made a telling contribution so far this season PVA: definisvely all over the shop and ineffective going forward Bit harsh. He wasn't even the worst player on the pitch. It wasn't great but there's been plenty that have been a lot worse.
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Hamburg 13 Nov 17 7.51pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

In no particular order:
Benteke: not looked a threat when fit, although willing to put it down to De Boers tactics
Puncheon: completely lost it sadly. Too slow on the ball, always plays backwards.
Reidewald: looks so out his depth, worst debut performance I’ve ever seen for Palace. He’s young so should improve
Hennessey: confidence shot, needs replacing in Jan. don’t think he’s made a telling contribution so far this season
PVA: definisvely all over the shop and ineffective going forward

Bit harsh. He wasn't even the worst player on the pitch. It wasn't great but there's been plenty that have been a lot worse.

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mattteo 13 Nov 17 10.07pm
RUBEN LOFTUS CHEEK. Let's take into consideration playing time here. He's had almost 0 contributions even though he was always used as an attacking player. I never understood this transfer anyway. I never expected anything from him. It's like some players get transferred just because they come from top 6 teams. He was never amazing in the U21 Premier League seasons or in other youth competitions. He seemed ok as a deep-lying playmaker for Chelsea. But to play him as a starter...... I give him this: he's had a few decent shots and touches for a 21 year old, somewhat unlucky once not to get a goal in. But he doesn't have any sort of experience up there, near the opposing goal. He is just too inexperienced to make the correct choices so that the attacks end with goals scored. And he doesn't really cover ground fast enough or do his defensive duties either. He's like a Shelvey being forced to operate as winger or behind the striker. Playing such a player so much time guarantees that your team will not score, which unfortunately has happened. And he even gets called up to the national team......as an attacking midfielder!! You can't name someone like Puncheon who played as a central and even defensive midfielder. I've said this and I'll say it again: Puncheon had wonderful season when he played on the wing. Really, really good PL seasons. Since they moved him to the center 2 years ago he has been struggling. Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.09pm) Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.09pm)
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13 Nov 17 10.07pm

RUBEN LOFTUS CHEEK. Let's take into consideration playing time here. He's had almost 0 contributions even though he was always used as an attacking player. I never understood this transfer anyway. I never expected anything from him. It's like some players get transferred just because they come from top 6 teams. He was never amazing in the U21 Premier League seasons or in other youth competitions. He seemed ok as a deep-lying playmaker for Chelsea.
But to play him as a starter......
I give him this: he's had a few decent shots and touches for a 21 year old, somewhat unlucky once not to get a goal in. But he doesn't have any sort of experience up there, near the opposing goal. He is just too inexperienced to make the correct choices so that the attacks end with goals scored. And he doesn't really cover ground fast enough or do his defensive duties either. He's like a Shelvey being forced to operate as winger or behind the striker. Playing such a player so much time guarantees that your team will not score, which unfortunately has happened. And he even gets called up to the national team......as an attacking midfielder!!

You can't name someone like Puncheon who played as a central and even defensive midfielder. I've said this and I'll say it again: Puncheon had wonderful season when he played on the wing. Really, really good PL seasons. Since they moved him to the center 2 years ago he has been struggling.

Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.09pm)

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mattteo 13 Nov 17 10.21pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt Based on his spell at Sunderland, most neutrals would have said that PVA was perhaps the worst defender in the league. Sunderland were flailing about all over the place and looking clear favourites to go down when they received a pretty modest bid from us, a relegation rival, for this player. It says everything you need to know that they bit our hands off. Edited by TheBigToePunt (13 Nov 2017 5.26pm) It says Sunderland were idiots and they got relegated exactly because they sold players like PVA. Keep PVA along with Giaccherini, Lens and Khazri and boom....you got another PL relegation avoided. But instead they got in Steven Pienaar at 36. What do you want? It was Moyes...... PVA doesn't cause more problems than he does good. It's like saying Marcelo causes more problems that does good for Real Madrid. HANDS OFF! He's a darn good player. If anyone doesn't see that then he or she is in the wrong. Last time this year everyone here except me was saying how terrible Townsend is. And then it was a time when everyone wanted Cabaye out of the team. Yes, PVA has made a few defensive positioning mistakes. Everybody makes them! EVERY defender in the world. You should watch Aurier from Tottenham more often. Does he not make mistakes? Do you remember the ones from the match with us? He's a fullback, just as PVA. And he's a darn good player, even if he sometimes loses his man or the ball. We judge him by what he does in entire seasons, not by a few bad decisions. And contributing to the attack that much, actually being the best left back in the PL outside of top 6 teams, makes PVA so great. He brings for the team more points than he loses in an entire season Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.22pm)
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13 Nov 17 10.21pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Based on his spell at Sunderland, most neutrals would have said that PVA was perhaps the worst defender in the league.

Sunderland were flailing about all over the place and looking clear favourites to go down when they received a pretty modest bid from us, a relegation rival, for this player. It says everything you need to know that they bit our hands off.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (13 Nov 2017 5.26pm)

It says Sunderland were idiots and they got relegated exactly because they sold players like PVA. Keep PVA along with Giaccherini, Lens and Khazri and boom....you got another PL relegation avoided. But instead they got in Steven Pienaar at 36. What do you want? It was Moyes......

PVA doesn't cause more problems than he does good. It's like saying Marcelo causes more problems that does good for Real Madrid.
HANDS OFF! He's a darn good player. If anyone doesn't see that then he or she is in the wrong.
Last time this year everyone here except me was saying how terrible Townsend is. And then it was a time when everyone wanted Cabaye out of the team.

Yes, PVA has made a few defensive positioning mistakes. Everybody makes them! EVERY defender in the world. You should watch Aurier from Tottenham more often. Does he not make mistakes? Do you remember the ones from the match with us? He's a fullback, just as PVA. And he's a darn good player, even if he sometimes loses his man or the ball. We judge him by what he does in entire seasons, not by a few bad decisions.
And contributing to the attack that much, actually being the best left back in the PL outside of top 6 teams, makes PVA so great. He brings for the team more points than he loses in an entire season

Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.22pm)

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aashman12 14 Nov 17 1.05pm
Originally posted by ozziex99 For me it has to be PVA. His positional sense when defending is poor at best, and he doesn't get as many crosses into the box as he should considering he is so attack minded. Forget his individual mistakes, this can happen to anyone. For me he has a much bigger underlining defensive problem that needs fixing if we are to give ourselves the best possible chance of staying up. He's not a let down because i had zero expectations for him.
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aashman12

14 Nov 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by ozziex99

For me it has to be PVA.

His positional sense when defending is poor at best, and he doesn't get as many crosses into the box as he should considering he is so attack minded.

Forget his individual mistakes, this can happen to anyone. For me he has a much bigger underlining defensive problem that needs fixing if we are to give ourselves the best possible chance of staying up.

He's not a let down because i had zero expectations for him.

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Hansy 14 Nov 17 1.10pm
Originally posted by mars PVA has been disappointing but not a s much as Benteke What do you expect from Benteke during FdB's reign? Playing football on the floor does not suit him. Using wingers and crossing the balls in to him does. PVA for me.
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Hansy

14 Nov 17 1.10pm

Originally posted by mars

PVA has been disappointing but not a s much as Benteke

What do you expect from Benteke during FdB's reign? Playing football on the floor does not suit him. Using wingers and crossing the balls in to him does.

PVA for me.

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Nov 17 2.26pm
Originally posted by Hansy What do you expect from Benteke during FdB's reign? Playing football on the floor does not suit him. Using wingers and crossing the balls in to him does. PVA for me. He was bloody good at Villa when they played it on the floor. And Belgium never used constant high ball tactics when he played. Maybe he is just not as good now? He also couldn't get into Liverpool's team even after Suarez leaving and Sturridge long-term injured. We didn't buy a pony but we haven't bought a thoroughbred either even though he has cost us £40mill so far. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Nov 2017 2.31pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Nov 17 2.26pm

Originally posted by Hansy

What do you expect from Benteke during FdB's reign? Playing football on the floor does not suit him. Using wingers and crossing the balls in to him does.

PVA for me.

He was bloody good at Villa when they played it on the floor. And Belgium never used constant high ball tactics when he played. Maybe he is just not as good now? He also couldn't get into Liverpool's team even after Suarez leaving and Sturridge long-term injured.

We didn't buy a pony but we haven't bought a thoroughbred either even though he has cost us £40mill so far.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Nov 2017 2.31pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 Nov 17 2.41pm
Originally posted by mattteo RUBEN LOFTUS CHEEK. Let's take into consideration playing time here. He's had almost 0 contributions even though he was always used as an attacking player. I never understood this transfer anyway. I never expected anything from him. It's like some players get transferred just because they come from top 6 teams. He was never amazing in the U21 Premier League seasons or in other youth competitions. He seemed ok as a deep-lying playmaker for Chelsea. But to play him as a starter...... I give him this: he's had a few decent shots and touches for a 21 year old, somewhat unlucky once not to get a goal in. But he doesn't have any sort of experience up there, near the opposing goal. He is just too inexperienced to make the correct choices so that the attacks end with goals scored. And he doesn't really cover ground fast enough or do his defensive duties either. He's like a Shelvey being forced to operate as winger or behind the striker. Playing such a player so much time guarantees that your team will not score, which unfortunately has happened. And he even gets called up to the national team......as an attacking midfielder!! You can't name someone like Puncheon who played as a central and even defensive midfielder. I've said this and I'll say it again: Puncheon had wonderful season when he played on the wing. Really, really good PL seasons. Since they moved him to the center 2 years ago he has been struggling. Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.09pm) Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.09pm) One of the most bizarre posts I've read on this site - controversial for the sake of it.
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Originally posted by mattteo

Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.09pm)

One of the most bizarre posts I've read on this site - controversial for the sake of it.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Nov 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by mattteo It says Sunderland were idiots and they got relegated exactly because they sold players like PVA. Keep PVA along with Giaccherini, Lens and Khazri and boom....you got another PL relegation avoided. But instead they got in Steven Pienaar at 36. What do you want? It was Moyes...... PVA doesn't cause more problems than he does good. It's like saying Marcelo causes more problems that does good for Real Madrid. HANDS OFF! He's a darn good player. If anyone doesn't see that then he or she is in the wrong. Last time this year everyone here except me was saying how terrible Townsend is. And then it was a time when everyone wanted Cabaye out of the team. Yes, PVA has made a few defensive positioning mistakes. Everybody makes them! EVERY defender in the world. You should watch Aurier from Tottenham more often. Does he not make mistakes? Do you remember the ones from the match with us? He's a fullback, just as PVA. And he's a darn good player, even if he sometimes loses his man or the ball. We judge him by what he does in entire seasons, not by a few bad decisions. And contributing to the attack that much, actually being the best left back in the PL outside of top 6 teams, makes PVA so great. He brings for the team more points than he loses in an entire season Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.22pm) Sunderland got relegated because Defoe was injured without any adequate back up. Now where is that happening this season. Luckily our team, not necessarily squad, is just better. COYP
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Caterham 14 Nov 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by mattteo

Edited by mattteo (13 Nov 2017 10.22pm)

Sunderland got relegated because Defoe was injured without any adequate back up. Now where is that happening this season. Luckily our team, not necessarily squad, is just better.

COYP

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 14 Nov 17 2.50pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 He was bloody good at Villa when they played it on the floor. And Belgium never used constant high ball tactics when he played. Maybe he is just not as good now? He also couldn't get into Liverpool's team even after Suarez leaving and Sturridge long-term injured. We didn't buy a pony but we haven't bought a thoroughbred either even though he has cost us £40mill so far. We always react the same whenever we spend big on a player; talk exclusively about the money for the first two years, before we realise that they are actually very good - same thing happened with Cabaye. Benteke scored 15 league goals for us last season, in what was a pretty unimpressive team - to put that into perspective, our previous top scorers were; 2015/16 - Bolasie, Dann, Cabaye, Wickham - 5 goals 2014/15 - Murray - 7 goals 2013/14 - Gayle - 7 goals So he scored more than double what any player has managed for us in a single season since returning to the PL - I find it impossible to consider that a let down, and certainly not the biggest let down in a squad performing as badly as ours. PVA is certainly a contender, but for me it would be Townsend - 3 goals for someone who has played nearly every game in the year and a bit he's been here, and very little else in terms of game winning contributions - he works hard and puts in a shift, but he offers so little. I expected a hell of a lot more. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Nov 2017 2.31pm) Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (14 Nov 2017 2.51pm)
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Originally posted by Kermit8

We didn't buy a pony but we haven't bought a thoroughbred either even though he has cost us £40mill so far.

We always react the same whenever we spend big on a player; talk exclusively about the money for the first two years, before we realise that they are actually very good - same thing happened with Cabaye.

Benteke scored 15 league goals for us last season, in what was a pretty unimpressive team - to put that into perspective, our previous top scorers were;

2015/16 - Bolasie, Dann, Cabaye, Wickham - 5 goals
2014/15 - Murray - 7 goals
2013/14 - Gayle - 7 goals

So he scored more than double what any player has managed for us in a single season since returning to the PL - I find it impossible to consider that a let down, and certainly not the biggest let down in a squad performing as badly as ours.

PVA is certainly a contender, but for me it would be Townsend - 3 goals for someone who has played nearly every game in the year and a bit he's been here, and very little else in terms of game winning contributions - he works hard and puts in a shift, but he offers so little. I expected a hell of a lot more.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Nov 2017 2.31pm)

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (14 Nov 2017 2.51pm)

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aashman12 15 Nov 17 10.16am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Sunderland got relegated because Defoe was injured without any adequate back up. Now where is that happening this season. Luckily our team, not necessarily squad, is just better. Defoe played in 37 of their 38 games.
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aashman12

15 Nov 17 10.16am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sunderland got relegated because Defoe was injured without any adequate back up. Now where is that happening this season. Luckily our team, not necessarily squad, is just better.

Defoe played in 37 of their 38 games.

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mattteo 15 Nov 17 12.07pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Benteke scored 15 league goals for us last season, in what was a pretty unimpressive team - to put that into perspective, our previous top scorers were; 2015/16 - Bolasie, Dann, Cabaye, Wickham - 5 goals 2014/15 - Murray - 7 goals 2013/14 - Gayle - 7 goals So he scored more than double what any player has managed for us Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (14 Nov 2017 2.51pm) Yeah, but he played more than triple the number of minutes the others got. Extrapolating, had they gotten Benteke's minutes, Gayle and probably others too would have scored more.
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mattteo

15 Nov 17 12.07pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Benteke scored 15 league goals for us last season, in what was a pretty unimpressive team - to put that into perspective, our previous top scorers were; 2015/16 - Bolasie, Dann, Cabaye, Wickham - 5 goals
2014/15 - Murray - 7 goals
2013/14 - Gayle - 7 goals
So he scored more than double what any player has managed for us

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (14 Nov 2017 2.51pm)

Yeah, but he played more than triple the number of minutes the others got. Extrapolating, had they gotten Benteke's minutes, Gayle and probably others too would have scored more.

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