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View LegalEagle2010's Profile LegalEagle2010 Flag 09 Dec 17 8.43pm Send a Private Message to LegalEagle2010 Add LegalEagle2010 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I see what you mean but I don't think that's a fair analogy. The implication is that Luka is the sober driver in the scenario but that isn't right because there is no guarantee that he would score either -- ie. he would have to be the merely the less pissed of the two drivers (thereby undermining the justification for physically dragging away one pissed mate for another).

Fundamentally, it seemed to me that there was no way Benteke would give up the penalty short of physically being dragged away. And that is simply not a realistic option.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 09 Dec 17 9.00pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by LegalEagle2010

I see what you mean but I don't think that's a fair analogy. The implication is that Luka is the sober driver in the scenario but that isn't right because there is no guarantee that he would score either -- ie. he would have to be the merely the less pissed of the two drivers (thereby undermining the justification for physically dragging away one pissed mate for another).

Fundamentally, it seemed to me that there was no way Benteke would give up the penalty short of physically being dragged away. And that is simply not a realistic option.

If one of our players had nutted Benteke, been sent off, given the ball to Luka and he’d scored, it would have been worth it.
Geoff Thomas, Michael Hughes, Jim Cannon wouldn’t have had it happen when they were playing.

 

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View Diagonal's Profile Diagonal Flag 09 Dec 17 9.15pm Send a Private Message to Diagonal Add Diagonal as a friend

Entirely my thoughts!

Originally posted by LegalEagle2010

All this talk about 'designated penalty takers' and 'why didn't Luka just grab it off him' and 'why didn't the captain/ the bench tell Benteke to walk away' is (almost) annoying me as much as what actually happened.

Firstly, we clearly do have a designated taker. It is Luka. How can anyone think different. It is the reason why he bloody took the first one despite Benteke being on the pitch.

Secondly, as Roy said in one post match interview I have seen, the bench cannot walk onto the pitch and tell the players what to do ... they have already done that in training before the match where they have already designated Luka as our penalty taker.

So that leaves the players on the pitch. I was at the game. Luka looked almost inconsolable about what was happening. He stood in the box for ages, pleading with Benteke. He was pulling his shirt up almost over his head in panicked frustration. But Benteke simply stood there, not looking at Luka, blinkers on, refusing to move.

So think about what you are saying by stating that Luka/ Dann/ whoever else simply shouldn't have let Benteke take it. Given how it played out, they would have had no option but to PHYSICALLY drag Benteke out of the box.

Think about what that would have looked like. A penalty in the last minute, prefaced by a physical altercation involving our players. It would have had to have been that, Benteke was going nowehere. Think about what effect on morale that would have had, how it would have looked in the press. It is simply inconceivable that one professional would wrestle another one out of the box over a penalty.

Further, think about the effect it would have had on Luka! The pressure that would have been on him having just physically dragged a team mate out of the box (or alternatively watched someone else do it to Benteke).

Even if Benteke had relented to Luka's constant pressure without a physical confrontation (and it was constant pressure -- he demonstratively did not simply acquiesce to Benteke), think about the pressure that would have left on his shoulders. Pressure that would already have been extraordinary given the match situation.

Therefore, it is ENTIRELY Benteke's fault as to what happened. Not anyone else's. As I mentioned, even if he had relented, the damage would have been done (in terms of added pressure to Luka).

It is the most selfish act I have ever witnessed at Selhurst.

I only hope that the journalists and pundits who discuss the incident think about ( a ) the fact that we DO have a penalty taker and not blame it on a false 'confusion'. And ( b ) what they actually mean by saying 'someone should have told Benteke to back off'.

They did. He refused. Would they advocate a wrestling match? surely not, the ramifications are so awful.

One might think, well, the ramifications would be worth it for Luka to score the penalty for the three points. But, of course, he was not guaranteed to score, and especially not if he was taken it after such a furore. So by the time Benteke took it, I can understand the players thinking 'right ... he's got it now ... so let's back him. It's a penalty so he should score.'

I make clear that none of this changes my ultimate view, that how dare Benteke put his own selfish desire to end his drought before his teammates, the club, and the fans. Particularly when he is famously awful at taking bloody penalties in any event.

I am beyond angry. But let's direct it in the right, informed, logical place.


Edited by LegalEagle2010 (09 Dec 2017 8.13pm)


 


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View bicycle repair man's Profile bicycle repair man 09 Dec 17 9.22pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

It's outrageous if Benteke has overruled management and teammates,and then made such a pathetic effort at scoring the penalty.
Wilf was elated when the penalty was awarded but then looked very angry when he saw Benteke step up,and was absolutely fuming at the end.
I can understand Benteke wanting to break his duck,but it's a team game.And it appears he made a very selfish decision.I for one wouldn't be sorry to see him go if we can find a replacement.

 

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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 09 Dec 17 10.02pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

If the previous posters are correct about CB (and I pretty sure they are) he should be disciplined, fined, and played with one of the junior sides for a week or two. Such selfish, contempt for the management and team mates is incredible. On the upside - he may even put in a transfer request then!

 

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View LegalEagle2010's Profile LegalEagle2010 Flag 09 Dec 17 10.08pm Send a Private Message to LegalEagle2010 Add LegalEagle2010 as a friend

Originally posted by rob1969

If the previous posters are correct about CB (and I pretty sure they are) he should be disciplined, fined, and played with one of the junior sides for a week or two. Such selfish, contempt for the management and team mates is incredible. On the upside - he may even put in a transfer request then!

Agreed. Though as for the transfer request - it wouldn't exactly do his January value any good would it!

You can hear another club's chairman:
'yeah but why would we pay that for him when we know that you want rid because his teammates, the management, and the fans all hate him?'

' .... ah'

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 17 12.05am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Benteke scores he is a hero.
Benteke misses and he is a villain.He is a villain.

Where was the leadership on the pitch to stop him taking the penalty ?.I can just imagine Billy Bremner, Tommy Smith or "Chopper" Harris allowing this situation to occur !!!

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 10 Dec 17 12.12am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Benteke scores he is a hero.
Benteke misses and he is a villain.He is a villain.

Where was the leadership on the pitch to stop him taking the penalty ?.I can just imagine Billy Bremner, Tommy Smith or "Chopper" Harris allowing this situation to occur !!!

Agree. Although talking about non Palace players not allowing it? Don’t think Cannon, Thomas, Hughes, Jedinak etc would have had it either , I’d have liked to have seen if Sakho would have taken the ball off the arrogant mug, hope he would have.

 

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View merganser's Profile merganser Flag 10 Dec 17 12.34am Send a Private Message to merganser Add merganser as a friend

Who was captain after Sakai went off if it wasn’t Dann?

Also, why didn’t Roy or one of his lieutenants (or one of our subs) run on to the pitch to instruct who was to take the penalty? Why did they just dither on the sidelines?

Maybe there would have been sanctions from the FA, but probably trivial.

There might yet be a silver lining if Benteke learns a bit of humility and if the rest of the team are more fired up than ever for Tuesday’s match.

I hope Benteke plays and scores a hat trick in the most convincing win since Hull last season.

COYP.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 10 Dec 17 12.43am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Instruction should have come from the bench. Benteke is gone, more fool Parish for having only one fit striker.
Roy has a big problem here.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Dec 17 1.05am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by merganser

Who was captain after Sakai went off if it wasn’t Dann?

Also, why didn’t Roy or one of his lieutenants (or one of our subs) run on to the pitch to instruct who was to take the penalty? Why did they just dither on the sidelines?

Maybe there would have been sanctions from the FA, but probably trivial.

There might yet be a silver lining if Benteke learns a bit of humility and if the rest of the team are more fired up than ever for Tuesday’s match.

I hope Benteke plays and scores a hat trick in the most convincing win since Hull last season.

COYP.

The players were nearer to Benteke. They should have shown some 'Cojones' and instructed him to allow Milo to take it.

Who the hell does Benteke think he is by over-ruling the management who had decided he was NOT the designated penalty taker ? Absolutely disgraceful.


 

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View cpfccolin's Profile cpfccolin Flag Dorset 10 Dec 17 1.05am Send a Private Message to cpfccolin Add cpfccolin as a friend

Brighton are talking about our penalty miss on their forum the wan-ers

Edited by cpfccolin (10 Dec 2017 1.06am)

 

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