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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 18 1.46pm

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A brilliant group that helps disabled people through the absolute s***house of a process of getting help from the government.

A few case studies here too. It's a shocking state that disabled people have such a rough time put on them in the 21st century.

Has there ever been a more callous government.

 

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chelys Flag London 06 Jan 18 2.11pm

Henry VIII's governments were pretty callous.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

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A brilliant group that helps disabled people through the absolute s***house of a process of getting help from the government.

A few case studies here too. It's a shocking state that disabled people have such a rough time put on them in the 21st century.

Has there ever been a more callous government.

I have a half sympathy for this view.

It's about what is a disability that the taxpayer...other people....should be expected...so in other words be forced to pay for.

That is a valid debate.....Look at the amount of welfare paid out on disability......This country is not callous by a long long mark. But I agree with you that the processes that the government used were a joke.

But people who know how to play the system get more out of it than those that don't.....I know of one of those people.


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Originally posted by chelys

Henry VIII's governments were pretty callous.

Yeah....he was pretty full on with the cuts.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 18 3.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have a half sympathy for this view.

It's about what is a disability that the taxpayer...other people....should be expected...so in other words be forced to pay for.

That is a valid debate.....Look at the amount of welfare paid out on disability......This country is not callous by a long long mark. But I agree with you that the processes that the government used were a joke.

But people who know how to play the system get more out of it than those that don't.....I know of one of those people.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2018 2.51pm)


The I know someone who is cheating argument does tend to put a more cheaters than genuine cases argument. It's what the mail is so good at.

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset


The I know someone who is cheating argument does tend to put a more cheaters than genuine cases argument. It's what the mail is so good at.

Cheating? Mmmm...tricky....I didn't say that. What I did say is that there is a debate about what it is reasonable to ask...no not ask...compel other people to pay for.

It's just a fact that some people know how to work the system better than others.....but that's not saying they have nothing wrong with them.

I do agree with disability payments, most definitely.....and I'd agree with you that the sub contractual processes that governments have used has been wrong....just wrong and harmful.

But it's also true that when you create a dependency that it will be grabbed onto.....with those that need it I have no issues with.

It's a tricky issue but one that's open to debate.....but it isn't being had in the media though because.....well....emotionalism.

We will always have those that look to maximise for themselves regardless of ethics....we have them at the lower class scale and we have them at the higher class scale......of the two the higher class scale is the more annoying.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2018 3.48pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 18 4.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Cheating? Mmmm...tricky....I didn't say that. What I did say is that there is a debate about what it is reasonable to ask...no not ask...compel other people to pay for.

It's just a fact that some people know how to work the system better than others.....but that's not saying they have nothing wrong with them.

I do agree with disability payments, most definitely.....and I'd agree with you that the sub contractual processes that governments have used has been wrong....just wrong and harmful.

But it's also true that when you create a dependency that it will be grabbed onto.....with those that need it I have no issues with.

It's a tricky issue but one that's open to debate.....but it isn't being had in the media though because.....well....emotionalism.

We will always have those that look to maximise for themselves regardless of ethics....we have them at the lower class scale and we have them at the higher class scale......of the two the higher class scale is the more annoying.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2018 3.48pm)

I agree with your last paragraph, but it is percieved as the norm rather than the exception by many.

 

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