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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag 18 Jun 18 1.04pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Wonderful player and a joy to watch. A boyhood hero in fact.

Very much the Zaha of his day (although often lacked the final pass)

Didn't he once take part in a friendly involving blacks v whites? Imagine the PC brigade if that game was played today.

It was Jim Cannon's 1st testimonial - he played against a Vince Hilaire X1 which contained only black players.

I remember the WBA game against a black team received loads of publicity whilst ours received very little. Incidentally whilst Cannon was a Palace legion comments in Ian Wright's book has clouded my opinion of him a bit - but playing against a Black X1 in the 80s was pretty groundbreaking.

I loved Hilaire and the crowd always picked up when he had the ball. I can honesty say i have never heard any racism from Palace fans and i put a lot of that down to Vince's influence. Watching football in the 70's and 80's was a difficult time so well done Palace and Vince

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag 25 Jun 18 5.13pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Wonderful player and a joy to watch. A boyhood hero in fact.

Very much the Zaha of his day (although often lacked the final pass)

Didn't he once take part in a friendly involving blacks v whites? Imagine the PC brigade if that game was played today.

The crowd even used to sing ‘there’s a brown boy on the wing’ to the tune of ‘brown girl in the ring’ by Boney M, never a problem back then, it was a light hearted reflection of the love everyone had for Vince, but now you’d be slaughtered for it.

Looking forward to reading the book, been saving it for my holibobs in a few weeks.

Edited by monkey (26 Jun 2018 5.29am)

 

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View elbarno's Profile elbarno Flag Abu Dhabi 30 Jun 18 11.55am Send a Private Message to elbarno Add elbarno as a friend

Really enjoyable read,didn't realize that Ernie Wally was so feared by all the players,also Alan Ball at Pompey seemed to be a right character!

 

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View BorgeThorup's Profile BorgeThorup Flag 14 Jul 18 8.53am Send a Private Message to BorgeThorup Add BorgeThorup as a friend

Brilliant read for anyone of a vintage to have supported Palace during this period. Also a good read for any younger fans to understand why all these 50+ blokes get dewy eyed when we hear Vince Hilaires name. He was and still is a brilliant guy and played a huge part in the transformation of Palace to the club we recognise now.

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag 30 Jul 18 1.42pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Having now read the book, it really is a great read for any of you who were around at the time!! It’s exactly how I remember the rise and fall of our team and club at the time, plus a lot more obviously as fans we didn’t know!!
And don’t let it put you off the amount of stuff about the Pompey/Alan Ball years, that’s fascinating stuff as well.

 

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I just remember him as a brilliant player who in his day caused the same excitement as Wilf when the ball was at his feet.

 


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Quite a sad book really. It is an many ways though a brave publication as Vince recognises the fact he could have done better and explains where he went wrong . Others probably acted in the same way and have bigger scars or worse to show for it

I remember Vince as a crowd favourite who used to excite us all but so often provided disappointing performances and I think the book reflects this. The reasons are made clear in the book and perhaps it should be compulsory reading for all young players who are not smart enough to apply themselves .

He was ,I believe ,liked by most of the crowd in those days and his very own song "We have a Brown boy on the wing" was sung with affection because he was (and one of relatively few pros of colour at the time , it was not intended some sort of racial slur) and he did play on the wing .

When you read the book it is a bit contradictory about Kenny sansoms transfer . My recollection was ,in those days of NO socila media , there a lot of gossip on the street that Ken needed the transfer to fund some problems that were hanging over him and that Ron had to let him go to save his neck .But gossip is gossip what do I know .

 

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Ray Bloye was Chairman at the time of Ken’s departure, I think Ken is looking back a little bit too fondly because the rumour at the time was he needed cash , from memory it was something to do with the betting shop he was involved in , I seem to remember it was located at the top of Livingstone Rd , on the Heath

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag 06 Aug 18 9.34am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesfans

Quite a sad book really. It is an many ways though a brave publication as Vince recognises the fact he could have done better and explains where he went wrong . Others probably acted in the same way and have bigger scars or worse to show for it

I remember Vince as a crowd favourite who used to excite us all but so often provided disappointing performances and I think the book reflects this. The reasons are made clear in the book and perhaps it should be compulsory reading for all young players who are not smart enough to apply themselves .

He was ,I believe ,liked by most of the crowd in those days and his very own song "We have a Brown boy on the wing" was sung with affection because he was (and one of relatively few pros of colour at the time , it was not intended some sort of racial slur) and he did play on the wing .

When you read the book it is a bit contradictory about Kenny sansoms transfer . My recollection was ,in those days of NO socila media , there a lot of gossip on the street that Ken needed the transfer to fund some problems that were hanging over him and that Ron had to let him go to save his neck .But gossip is gossip what do I know .

I found myself feeling that way, really as soon as he left Pompey it all started to go down hill, admitting that he gave up trying at Leeds and then at Stoke he was just totally useless because the heavy drinking and life style while at Pompey had caught up with him and ending up working on a building site

 

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View dorking's Profile dorking Flag 06 Aug 18 9.57am Send a Private Message to dorking Add dorking as a friend

Originally posted by simlaboy

Ray Bloye was Chairman at the time of Ken’s departure, I think Ken is looking back a little bit too fondly because the rumour at the time was he needed cash , from memory it was something to do with the betting shop he was involved in , I seem to remember it was located at the top of Livingstone Rd , on the Heath

^this

Kenny's financial problems due to betting and later drink are well documented. Not wishing to come down too hard on a bloke suffering from his demons, however it is well known for example the time when Kenny had gambling debts and Venables told Vince 'You're buying Kenny's Stag (car)' (even though Vince already had one himself!) and Vince just did as he was told.

I thought it was a little bit cheeky of Kenny to turn the Forword he was asked to write for Vince into a 'I didn't want to leave Palace' piece about himself. Should have been a little shorter and kept it to nice words about Vince.

I thought Vince was incredibly honest in the book. He is clearly still idolised by fans of a certain age (just follow him on facebook to see the adoration from both Palace and Pompey fans), ultimately the way he failed to reach his full potential mirrored that of Palace following the sad break up of the incredible Team of the Eighties

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag 06 Aug 18 1.38pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by dorking

^this

Kenny's financial problems due to betting and later drink are well documented. Not wishing to come down too hard on a bloke suffering from his demons, however it is well known for example the time when Kenny had gambling debts and Venables told Vince 'You're buying Kenny's Stag (car)' (even though Vince already had one himself!) and Vince just did as he was told.

I thought it was a little bit cheeky of Kenny to turn the Forword he was asked to write for Vince into a 'I didn't want to leave Palace' piece about himself. Should have been a little shorter and kept it to nice words about Vince.

I thought Vince was incredibly honest in the book. He is clearly still idolised by fans of a certain age (just follow him on facebook to see the adoration from both Palace and Pompey fans), ultimately the way he failed to reach his full potential mirrored that of Palace following the sad break up of the incredible Team of the Eighties

Good point, much as Kenny’s a legend as well, I thought the same, he did make it about himself too much!!

 

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