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I think this is great. These machines are evil. As a former gambling addict I know only to well.... Also statistics show that crime in betting shops has increased by 70% since these machines were introduced with angry punters smashing them up after losing all their money.

 


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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 17 May 18 10.15pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agreed, but don’t bother arguing with anyone who thinks they should remain. They won’t change their opinion and they might work in a bookies, although I’ve read a few bookie employees welcome it. Probably because they work in a bookies that once only had horse punters and they’d like it back that way, like a locals pub.

That's me. I worked as a manager in a few shops back in the 80's and I never worked in one that didn't make a profit over the year. Some of the shops were fun to work in and there were some real characters, some were s*itholes.

This was way before the machines. I believe the problem is greed on behalf of both the bookies and the people who play the machines. Both want to make as much as possible but there will only ever be one winner overall and that isn't punters as a whole.

Edited by johnno42000 (17 May 2018 10.15pm)

 


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View Palace 1979's Profile Palace 1979 Flag Surrey 17 May 18 11.19pm Send a Private Message to Palace 1979 Add Palace 1979 as a friend

It is an addiction just like many other things and it is absolutely right to lower the levels.

I quite enjoy a flutter now and then and the trick is not to chase a loss. These machines unfortunately force the punters to do exactly that.

I admit I have put the odd couple of quid in one now and then. I always do zero and then a few random numbers. I set a goal such as £10 for the £1 or £2 I have put in and if I reach it I take it out.

I normally have a few bets a week on the footy and whilst doing that I have witnessed people losing hundreds and hundreds of pounds, getting extremely angry, hitting punching and even spitting on the machines before storming out. A few months ago I went in to my local bookies for my weekend footy accumulator and there was a guy playing one with over £1000 in winnings and by the time I left about 15 minutes later he was at the counter using his debit card to add more money.

This has to stop as it is out of control and the government have got it right.

My gran always said "you never see a poor bookie", never a truer word spoken.

 


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View IMpalace's Profile IMpalace Flag London 17 May 18 11.22pm Send a Private Message to IMpalace Add IMpalace as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

I didn't say they thought it was a one way bet, you'd have to be a f***tard to think gambling is guaranteeing winning. They are moaning purely and simply because they were daft enough to lose money, and to keep on doing it repeatedly. As I said, were they were winning all the time no one would be moaning.

They're more profitable and have less running costs, Badger has already explained your question regarding why they don't set up one shop, it's due to existing regulation.

On the flipside of your scenario. Were there no regulations on the number of FOBTs per shop, and they put say 20 of them into one shop, you would expect every single one of them to have a punter on them all day, every day, being as highly addictive as they are?

Yes I realise they only open multiple bookies on the same street to maximise the number of FOBs, that’s the point!

You are saying that all gambling is equally addictive. I’m saying, if that’s the case, you wouldn’t have to open up multiple bookies because under your scenario, if the FOB machine is busy gamblers would spend their money on other forms of betting.

The truth is, FOBs are way more addictive and so it’s worth it to bookies to undertake the huge cost of setting another shop up, hiring new staff, paying double rates etc, all to squeeze in 2 more of these ridiculously addictive machines!

 

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View Palace 1979's Profile Palace 1979 Flag Surrey 17 May 18 11.33pm Send a Private Message to Palace 1979 Add Palace 1979 as a friend

I think this kicks in next year and it will be interesting to see how many bookies will close down, and how many shops will stay open until 9 or 10pm when the racing finished in the winter at around 5pm!

The machines make them their profits so time will tell.

My fear is unless they also do this on line then these punters will just log on and carry on. At least in a shop some shop managers may try and talk them out of betting everything away...

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 May 18 11.52pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Palace 1979

I think this kicks in next year and it will be interesting to see how many bookies will close down, and how many shops will stay open until 9 or 10pm when the racing finished in the winter at around 5pm!

The machines make them their profits so time will tell.

My fear is unless they also do this on line then these punters will just log on and carry on. At least in a shop some shop managers may try and talk them out of betting everything away...

Will some managers try and talk then them out of betting everything away? Because you say ‘some’ maybe you aren’t convinced.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 May 2018 7.53am)

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 18 May 18 12.37pm

Originally posted by Palace 1979

It is an addiction just like many other things and it is absolutely right to lower the levels.

I quite enjoy a flutter now and then and the trick is not to chase a loss. These machines unfortunately force the punters to do exactly that.

I admit I have put the odd couple of quid in one now and then. I always do zero and then a few random numbers. I set a goal such as £10 for the £1 or £2 I have put in and if I reach it I take it out.

I normally have a few bets a week on the footy and whilst doing that I have witnessed people losing hundreds and hundreds of pounds, getting extremely angry, hitting punching and even spitting on the machines before storming out. A few months ago I went in to my local bookies for my weekend footy accumulator and there was a guy playing one with over £1000 in winnings and by the time I left about 15 minutes later he was at the counter using his debit card to add more money.

This has to stop as it is out of control and the government have got it right.

My gran always said "you never see a poor bookie", never a truer word spoken.

I was in a shop once and this chinese women was on a machine with a glum look like she'd lost a fortune, had a quick peek and her balance was 3 grand !! Had much had she lost !!

I think the machines differ from sports betting in that if you bet on a horse or footy it can win or lose and you can take it, leave it, carry on or whatever. The principle behind the machines is that if you keep on feeding it money it will eventually pay out, so people just keep on pouring in the money , hoping it will pay out, taking more and more risk the more they lose

 


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View IMpalace's Profile IMpalace Flag London 18 May 18 12.54pm Send a Private Message to IMpalace Add IMpalace as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I was in a shop once and this chinese women was on a machine with a glum look like she'd lost a fortune, had a quick peek and her balance was 3 grand !! Had much had she lost !!

I think the machines differ from sports betting in that if you bet on a horse or footy it can win or lose and you can take it, leave it, carry on or whatever. The principle behind the machines is that if you keep on feeding it money it will eventually pay out, so people just keep on pouring in the money , hoping it will pay out, taking more and more risk the more they lose

In 2017 there were 233,000 instances in which someone lost more than £1,000 on a FOB machine

 

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Originally posted by IMpalace

Yes I realise they only open multiple bookies on the same street to maximise the number of FOBs, that’s the point!

You are saying that all gambling is equally addictive. I’m saying, if that’s the case, you wouldn’t have to open up multiple bookies because under your scenario, if the FOB machine is busy gamblers would spend their money on other forms of betting.

The truth is, FOBs are way more addictive and so it’s worth it to bookies to undertake the huge cost of setting another shop up, hiring new staff, paying double rates etc, all to squeeze in 2 more of these ridiculously addictive machines!

I didn't say all gambling is equally addictive, I said they will simply move on to something else if they are addictive gamblers.

As I said already, they're more profitable. You don't need to employ teams of people to assess markets, set odds, take bets, follow strange betting patterns etc.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 18 May 18 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Palace 1979

I think this kicks in next year and it will be interesting to see how many bookies will close down, and how many shops will stay open until 9 or 10pm when the racing finished in the winter at around 5pm!

The machines make them their profits so time will tell.

My fear is unless they also do this on line then these punters will just log on and carry on. At least in a shop some shop managers may try and talk them out of betting everything away...

No date set yet and I expect they'll appeal it for as long as possible.

Exactly, another thing that will simply shift to the online, and probably untaxed, world.

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I was in a shop once and this chinese women was on a machine with a glum look like she'd lost a fortune, had a quick peek and her balance was 3 grand !! Had much had she lost !!

I think the machines differ from sports betting in that if you bet on a horse or footy it can win or lose and you can take it, leave it, carry on or whatever. The principle behind the machines is that if you keep on feeding it money it will eventually pay out, so people just keep on pouring in the money , hoping it will pay out, taking more and more risk the more they lose

I think you mean fallacy.

That logic is like thinking the next time you flip a coin it'll be different to the last time, when it is exactly the same starting odds regardless of what preceded it.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 18 May 18 3.48pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by IMpalace

Why is there an assumption that it stays empty? If it stays empty rent comes down and other places can move in.

How about this: shutting these down enables people to stop spunking money on FOB machines and go and buy something from next door, perhaps an extra frothy, caramel, soya milk latte?

Errrr no; an addict will just go somewhere else to gamble their money away

 


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