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View gurru991's Profile gurru991 Flag Edmonton, Canada 17 Jul 18 1.44am Send a Private Message to gurru991 Add gurru991 as a friend

I would much prefer to snag young English players who have a huge potential upside than pay crazy money for Players from Europe who never fully adapt to the English game.
Dele Alli
Harry Maguire
Alfie Mawson
Jordan Pickford
The list is endless

 

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Originally posted by gurru991

I would much prefer to snag young English players who have a huge potential upside than pay crazy money for Players from Europe who never fully adapt to the English game.
Dele Alli
Harry Maguire
Alfie Mawson
Jordan Pickford
The list is endless

I thought these guys were all English, OK OK it's just a joke

 

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Originally posted by gurru991

I would much prefer to snag young English players who have a huge potential upside than pay crazy money for Players from Europe who never fully adapt to the English game.
Dele Alli
Harry Maguire
Alfie Mawson
Jordan Pickford
The list is endless

But don't tell Matteo!!

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Elm Guest House 17 Jul 18 12.20pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

His stats are not very good so I abstained. Not just in general, but not amazing for a 22 year old either.

Edited by mattteo (16 Jul 2018 5.13pm)

What stats? His stats on Football Manager?

 


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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 17 Jul 18 1.26pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

15m..A bit too much imo

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 17 Jul 18 3.13pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

What stats? His stats on Football Manager?

Why are you being the way your name says?

We are talking about his numbers in the English second division. Which were not that very impressive. If you want it detailed, it's 9 goals and 5 assists in 3500 minutes as a left wing. Most goals he contributed to before this in the lower leagues were from a central position, center forward or second striker. But the club doesn't buy him for that, it buys him for what he showed in the Championship as a left wing. Not left modfielder, mind you, left wing in a 4-3-3 system. So he's not used to dropiing real low, but let's say he would do that because he's young and won't shy from defensive duties.

But let's get back to the 9 goals and 5 assists. Is it enough by the age of 22 to justify someone making the step to a higher division or should he be left to develop further before such a transfer is made? For the rumoured sum of 8 million, I think it's a pretty big gamble. I'd say there are many more players in European leagues who have done more by the age of 22. It's not a certainty to adapt if he is English and comes from the English system. The best players in the PL are foreigners.

But there are also many 22 year olds in the English system who have arguably done more than Watkins. The boy is 6 months away from being 23. Others have hundreds of matches in the Championship by this time. Take for example his teammate Sergi Canos. Maupay, Callum Robinson, Barrie McKay or Adama Traore have pretty much done more with similar skills at a similar age (though I admit the last one's price is much higher), even Jarrod Bowen might be a better prospect.

Overall not a bad player, but is he ready for the Premier League and will he offer more than other players could have offered in the same position?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Jul 18 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Why are you being the way your name says?

We are talking about his numbers in the English second division. Which were not that very impressive. If you want it detailed, it's 9 goals and 5 assists in 3500 minutes as a left wing. Most goals he contributed to before this in the lower leagues were from a central position, center forward or second striker. But the club doesn't buy him for that, it buys him for what he showed in the Championship as a left wing. Not left modfielder, mind you, left wing in a 4-3-3 system. So he's not used to dropiing real low, but let's say he would do that because he's young and won't shy from defensive duties.

But let's get back to the 9 goals and 5 assists. Is it enough by the age of 22 to justify someone making the step to a higher division or should he be left to develop further before such a transfer is made? For the rumoured sum of 8 million, I think it's a pretty big gamble. I'd say there are many more players in European leagues who have done more by the age of 22. It's not a certainty to adapt if he is English and comes from the English system. The best players in the PL are foreigners.

But there are also many 22 year olds in the English system who have arguably done more than Watkins. The boy is 6 months away from being 23. Others have hundreds of matches in the Championship by this time. Take for example his teammate Sergi Canos. Maupay, Callum Robinson, Barrie McKay or Adama Traore have pretty much done more with similar skills at a similar age (though I admit the last one's price is much higher), even Jarrod Bowen might be a better prospect.

Overall not a bad player, but is he ready for the Premier League and will he offer more than other players could have offered in the same position?

Personally I think the fee is too high, although I am not adverse to players from lower divisions being given the chance (did we not do this with Gayle?) however as I have said on many occasions to Matteo STATS ARE NOT EVERYTHING!

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 17 Jul 18 4.08pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

One question is whether he is significantly better than Lokilo or Kai Kai (I've not seen him play). We have potential in the ranks, but we need first-team players if our budget is as tight as Roy has suggested. I'm curious to see how Kai Kai does pre-season as in yesterday's game Mark Bright alluded to some of his problems just being a lack of confidence rather than ability, and perhaps a chance in and around the first XI could work wonders.

 

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View Hudsoneagle's Profile Hudsoneagle Flag 20 Jul 18 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Hudsoneagle Add Hudsoneagle as a friend

Interesting to hear Matteo isn't impressed by his stats.

He seems to have had a better season for Brentford than Wilf had for us before Man U signed him. Certainly if you compare the league goals return.

Admittedly Wilf performed for us on a consistent basis over 3 full seasons and Watkins has had just the one stand out season for Brentford, however he has managed to excel at the first time of asking. Sometimes the step up requires some getting used to...Watkins seems to have taken to this level like a duck to water which suggests he may be capable of much more.

I would prefer to see these type of players coming to Palace than players like Babacar or Antonio.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 20 Jul 18 1.43pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Hudsoneagle


I would prefer to see these type of players coming to Palace than players like Babacar or Antonio.

I agree with you that young players are what Palace should seek and I really appreciate Ollie Watkins. I think he's got good potential. However, I don't appreciate him at 8 million
I think there are many more players who can be bought for less, just as promising as him if not more, at the same age.

If he were 3-4 million, now that would be another discussion. I'd definitely want Ollie Watkins then!

 

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View Eustace H. Plimsoll's Profile Eustace H. Plimsoll Flag Aldershot 20 Jul 18 6.30pm Send a Private Message to Eustace H. Plimsoll Add Eustace H. Plimsoll as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

But there are also many 22 year olds in the English system who have arguably done more than Watkins. The boy is 6 months away from being 23. Others have hundreds of matches in the Championship by this time.

Quite. Not only that but we shouldn't forget he's also 18 months away from 24. Never mind 27 months from 24 years and 9 months old. Also, it's only 1 year ago that he was a year younger. Though even then he was 21. And 9 months. Well, in 3 months. Plus he's only 2 doors away from being his next-door-neighbour-but-one. Avoid.

 


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