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"Emotional testimonies from people infected with HIV and hepatitis have been heard at the start of the inquiry into the contaminated blood scandal.

The public inquiry is looking at how thousands of NHS patients were given infected blood products during the 1970s and 1980s in what has been dubbed the worst-ever NHS treatment disaster.

In a video played to the inquiry, one man described how he felt he lost his entire life after finding out at the age of 43 that he had been infected with hepatitis C when he was a child." (BBC website, 24 Sept 201


I feel sorry for people who got given infected blood supplies.
I was given a transfusion after a successful operation in 1984 (aged 16). As I watched TV from my bed, a news article came on about how blood supplies had been contaminated with HIV/AIDS. I didn't get infected (yet), but I would share some thoughts.

I really needed that blood transfusion, and as soon as I was 18 I began repaying the debt by donating. Some people have religious beliefs which prevent blood transfusion, but when you need it,..your mindset may change.
Having given around 58 units, in 2005 I was banned from giving blood. This was because they haven't yet found a reliable technique for testing of BSE (mad cow disease). This , in theory, can lie dormant in the bloodstream for many, many years, and as I had a transfusion in 1984, I am deemed "high risk".

(nearly there)

So my point is this. The people claiming compensation for getting infected blood. Has their life-span been extended because they had a transfusion. In probably most cases 'YES'. If they had been given free-choice at the time of having a transfusion, knowing the risks, probably most would have said 'YES'.
Science is developing, and our knowledge is getting better all the time.
So why are people suing those trying to help save their lives ?
It's like A&E staff being sued for giving the wrong medical treatment.
You can only work with what you have at the time. These people claiming compo should have been left to die. Just my opinion.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Sep 18 9.21am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

This is a disgusting scandal that has destroyed the lives of many families. Not everyone infected was in a life or death situation. "First do no harm".

I don't think you can blame the staff at the sharp end someone hands you a bag of blood to give to a patient why would you think it is infected?

I think the scandal is when did the executives at the companies providing the blood know? When did the NHS seniors know? When did the politicians learn? And when and who was covering it up?

I think this goes above politics and I hope right or left we can all agree this is a "bloody" disgrace I wish the enquiry the best of luck and I hope they get to the truth. As for compensation absolutely these people (if they are alive) and their families deserve it.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Sep 18 10.07am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Good points, Badger, and well made.
It's always people at the sharp-end who get the cr@p, but you are quite correct in saying that people 'at the top' knew what was happening.
I just see this ending with some nurses having to resign, whilst the culpable managers retire on final salary pension.
I'm cynical like that. Or maybe just a realist.

 


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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 25 Sep 18 12.00pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Remember, you must NEVER criticise the NHS.

And yes, the bosses will never get punished or prosecuted – just another job.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 25 Sep 18 12.47pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Remember, you must NEVER criticise the NHS.

My wife is a nurse and she's always criticizing them

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Sep 18 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Remember, you must NEVER criticise the NHS.

And yes, the bosses will never get punished or prosecuted – just another job.

Complete misinterpretation of the views I have seen on here. Criticise how it operates by all means but if you criticise the philosophy put forward something better.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Sep 18 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

My wife is a nurse and she's always criticizing them

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Sep 18 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I got exceptional treatment 25 years ago from a Consultant and his staff. The treatment was life-saving and life-changing.
2 years later the Consultant left the NHS, because it "was not fit for purpose"
the Consultant is now a world-wide authority on neurology.
The NHS, whilst a pioneer of healthcare, is a shambles.

You have drug administrators who can't even speak English.
Is the above comment racist ? let's see what you think when you're being drip fed dia-morphine, instead of morphine.
Chaos. top-fed

 


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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 25 Sep 18 3.10pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Undoubtedly those at fault were the US suppliers and also the UK procuerers who failed to check the source properly.
You cannot blame those who actually used the contaminated blood.
They, like the recipients, have to trust the supply chain.
The biggest disgrace of all was tthat it was covered up for so long

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Complete misinterpretation of the views I have seen on here. Criticise how it operates by all means but if you criticise the philosophy put forward something better.

That is the nub of the matter. Free at the point of need is something most of us would agree with.

Are there better models out there to deliver that? Quite possibly many European countries have great healthcare systems which are either partly or fully privatised. Some of those countries are socialist / left leaning and don't seem to have a problem with this.

In this country we cannot have a sensible debate about alternate systems. It's a pity that someone like the BBC doesn't do a proper investigation into what other European countries do and the pros and cons for that system versus ours.

I think one of my issues with the current model is that too many people (including myself) do not pay anything for healthcare because we don't pay tax. If we had a proper National Health Insurance scheme then all adults should pay something for their healthcare.

How much each person paid and who would be exempt is another debate but I don't buy into the argument that just because I paid tax last year I get a free ride this year. Try telling an insurance company they should pay your home contents claim because you paid your premiums in the past.

If anyone has any knowledge of the systems in France, Germany, Scandinavia etc. I would be interested to hear.

 


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View the_mcanuff_stuff's Profile the_mcanuff_stuff Flag Caterham 25 Sep 18 4.27pm Send a Private Message to the_mcanuff_stuff Add the_mcanuff_stuff as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

That is the nub of the matter. Free at the point of need is something most of us would agree with.

Are there better models out there to deliver that? Quite possibly many European countries have great healthcare systems which are either partly or fully privatised. Some of those countries are socialist / left leaning and don't seem to have a problem with this.

In this country we cannot have a sensible debate about alternate systems. It's a pity that someone like the BBC doesn't do a proper investigation into what other European countries do and the pros and cons for that system versus ours.

I think one of my issues with the current model is that too many people (including myself) do not pay anything for healthcare because we don't pay tax. If we had a proper National Health Insurance scheme then all adults should pay something for their healthcare.

How much each person paid and who would be exempt is another debate but I don't buy into the argument that just because I paid tax last year I get a free ride this year. Try telling an insurance company they should pay your home contents claim because you paid your premiums in the past.

If anyone has any knowledge of the systems in France, Germany, Scandinavia etc. I would be interested to hear.

Germany has a great level of care and it is universal. The unemployed have a fully state funded insurance scheme. Workers have a choice to some degree in whatever scheme they choose to enroll in, but you can't chop and change as you please. Some end up cheap in the short term, expensive when you're old (and on a fixed income!) Others, you pay more at the start, but later on you'll have to pay less (effectively subsidised by younger members).

Germany's health system provides a better quality of care, but they also pay more for it.

The NHS provides a fantastic level of care, considering the per-person budget.

If we were to follow Germany's model, expect better care and also to pay more!

Not to familiar with the healthcare system in other European countries, but I believe lots of Northern/western European countries have broadly comparable systems.

 

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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Germany has a great level of care and it is universal. The unemployed have a fully state funded insurance scheme. Workers have a choice to some degree in whatever scheme they choose to enroll in, but you can't chop and change as you please. Some end up cheap in the short term, expensive when you're old (and on a fixed income!) Others, you pay more at the start, but later on you'll have to pay less (effectively subsidised by younger members).

Germany's health system provides a better quality of care, but they also pay more for it.

The NHS provides a fantastic level of care, considering the per-person budget.

If we were to follow Germany's model, expect better care and also to pay more!

Not to familiar with the healthcare system in other European countries, but I believe lots of Northern/western European countries have broadly comparable systems.

Thanks that the level of info I was looking for. If any one has info on other countries that would be great. I like the idea that you pay more when you are earning but it reduces when you retire that was my thinking.

 


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