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View big_palace_fan's Profile big_palace_fan Flag 12 Nov 18 10.33am Send a Private Message to big_palace_fan Add big_palace_fan as a friend

Henessey

AWB Tomkins Sakho PvA

Kouyate Milivojevic

Townsend Meyer Zaha

Sorloth

4231. Everyone in their position. Balanced. Pacey.

Playing 4 CMs just will not cut it.

 

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View cpal4eva's Profile cpal4eva Flag 12 Nov 18 10.39am Send a Private Message to cpal4eva Add cpal4eva as a friend

Agree that Sorloth deserves a start for a change. He caused Arsenal and Spurs problems when he came on and helped us finish both games strongly.

He is young, adapting and far more of a physical threat from crosses than Ayew (who I thought worked hard against Spurs, the defensive mistake aside).

We are far too quick to judge players. Sorloth has only generally had 10 or 20 minutes as a sub here and there in the league so it is harsh to ask him to work wonders. Although he has started in the League Cup matches and was apparently poor against Middlesborough, that was with our second string, let's see what he can do in our best XI.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 12 Nov 18 2.35pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I think a lot of people wouldnít mind seeing this team lineup as it has balance with players in their correct positions.
Canít see Roy going down this route, however, and I question if heís happy with the squad despite him saying itís a strong squad.
Itís largely made up of
1) solid professionals from whom you know what youíre going to get - Luka, Mcarthur,Tomkins,Townsend
2) brilliant talents who have to play - Zaha,AWB
3) talented players with flaws which prevent them being at a top club - Sakho,PVA
4) permanent bench warmers - Puncheon,Riedewald
5) players who cannot contribute through loss of form/injury- Benteke,Wickham
6) players who are never going to play and can just about get on the bench for league cup games - Kai Kai and Williams.
7) players who Roy doesnít seem to know how to use - Sorloth,Meyer,Ayew.
Roy is a pragmatic manager and realistically and seems happy to work with players largely in the first three categories.
This is quite a small squad and restricts choices and tactics.
I donít know what the solution is because I cannot see 3/4 players coming in the window, and even if they did would Roy use them?

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 12 Nov 18 5.48pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

I would play Sorloth.
The way Roy plays. ..practically the whole team defending. ...we need someone up front who's going to hold the ball up and give other players a chance to get forward. All we seem to be doing at ghd moment is giving the ball to Wilf and andros and off they go as fast as they can and have to try and beat three or four players. Whilst Sorloth isn't the best forward in the world, he has shown signs that he can hold the ball up and bring other players into the game. Abd who knows, given a run in the team and growing confidence, he may turn out ok..

 

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View KAOS's Profile KAOS Flag India 12 Nov 18 5.53pm Send a Private Message to KAOS Add KAOS as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I think a lot of people wouldnít mind seeing this team lineup as it has balance with players in their correct positions.
Canít see Roy going down this route, however, and I question if heís happy with the squad despite him saying itís a strong squad.
Itís largely made up of
1) solid professionals from whom you know what youíre going to get - Luka, Mcarthur,Tomkins,Townsend
2) brilliant talents who have to play - Zaha,AWB
3) talented players with flaws which prevent them being at a top club - Sakho,PVA
4) permanent bench warmers - Puncheon,Riedewald
5) players who cannot contribute through loss of form/injury- Benteke,Wickham
6) players who are never going to play and can just about get on the bench for league cup games - Kai Kai and Williams.
7) players who Roy doesnít seem to know how to use - Sorloth,Meyer,Ayew.
Roy is a pragmatic manager and realistically and seems happy to work with players largely in the first three categories.
This is quite a small squad and restricts choices and tactics.
I donít know what the solution is because I cannot see 3/4 players coming in the window, and even if they did would Roy use them?

Good post! Nailed it ...

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 12 Nov 18 6.27pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I think a lot of people wouldnít mind seeing this team lineup as it has balance with players in their correct positions.
Canít see Roy going down this route, however, and I question if heís happy with the squad despite him saying itís a strong squad.
Itís largely made up of
1) solid professionals from whom you know what youíre going to get - Luka, Mcarthur,Tomkins,Townsend
2) brilliant talents who have to play - Zaha,AWB
3) talented players with flaws which prevent them being at a top club - Sakho,PVA
4) permanent bench warmers - Puncheon,Riedewald
5) players who cannot contribute through loss of form/injury- Benteke,Wickham
6) players who are never going to play and can just about get on the bench for league cup games - Kai Kai and Williams.
7) players who Roy doesnít seem to know how to use - Sorloth,Meyer,Ayew.
Roy is a pragmatic manager and realistically and seems happy to work with players largely in the first three categories.
This is quite a small squad and restricts choices and tactics.
I donít know what the solution is because I cannot see 3/4 players coming in the window, and even if they did would Roy use them?

To be fair, that just about describes 75% of the teams in this division..

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 12 Nov 18 7.25pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend


Yes, but Roy seems only comfortable using players from the first three categories which limit his choices and flexibility.
His methods have served him well over his long career so itís difficult to be too critical.
But it is a valid question as to whether he he is getting the maximum out of the squad.
The results and lack of goals would say perhaps not.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 12 Nov 18 9.29pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

I would play Sorloth.
The way Roy plays. ..practically the whole team defending. ...we need someone up front who's going to hold the ball up and give other players a chance to get forward. All we seem to be doing at ghd moment is giving the ball to Wilf and andros and off they go as fast as they can and have to try and beat three or four players. Whilst Sorloth isn't the best forward in the world, he has shown signs that he can hold the ball up and bring other players into the game. Abd who knows, given a run in the team and growing confidence, he may turn out ok..

The whole team defending is spot on.
I have begun to notice that whilst attacking in
Open play a lot of the time there are still 3 men behind the half way line.
If they pushed up to beyond halfway the defenders of the opposition go back and we can attack in the middle of their box, not on the edge.
That 8-10 yards makes a big difference to delivery of the ball into our attack.
Im not sure if it because roy is playing for a 0-0 or our defenders dont trust each other.

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 13 Nov 18 6.36am Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The whole team defending is spot on.
I have begun to notice that whilst attacking in
Open play a lot of the time there are still 3 men behind the half way line.
If they pushed up to beyond halfway the defenders of the opposition go back and we can attack in the middle of their box, not on the edge.
That 8-10 yards makes a big difference to delivery of the ball into our attack.
Im not sure if it because roy is playing for a 0-0 or our defenders dont trust each other.

Sadly I think it has now got to this point. I think he assumes if we go one down, we're unlikely to get anything from the game, so defend in depth and hope wilf or andros can do something special.

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag 13 Nov 18 7.06am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Hennessey

Wan Biss Tomkins Sakho PVA

Meyer Luka Kouyate

Wilf Sorloth Schlupp

Time to drop Townsend Iím afraid, doesnít do anywhere enough for me.

Edited by monkey (13 Nov 2018 7.06am)

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 13 Nov 18 4.39pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

This is based on Tomkins and Benteke being injured. If fit, both woukd start in my team.

Guaita

AWB. Kelly. Sakho. PVA

Wilf. Meyer. Luka. Kouyate. Townsend

Sorloth

I just want us to start with 4-5-1 with Townsend and Wilf constantly changing wings, and occasionally playing narrow, like inside forwards.

Luka is doing okay but is almost Jedinak-esque with his occasional sloppiness. I believe in him, and think he'll produce some great displays, but he needs to do that.

I like Sorloth. I accept he's a championship player...and even comically frightened of/bad at heading a long ball, but he has something about him. When we came up, we had lot of championship players -- Murray, Bolasie, Speroni, Punch, Jedinak, Ward. If any of them had gone to an established PL club at that time, their fans would have slaughtered them. But they had enough at that time to be good PL players.

Sorloth just needs for us to believe in him, and to have a little more conviction himself. They just needed time and support.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag 13 Nov 18 4.52pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

This is based on Tomkins and Benteke being injured. If fit, both woukd start in my team.

Guaita

AWB. Kelly. Sakho. PVA

Wilf. Meyer. Luka. Kouyate. Townsend

Sorloth

I just want us to start with 4-5-1 with Townsend and Wilf constantly changing wings, and occasionally playing narrow, like inside forwards.

Luka is doing okay but is almost Jedinak-esque with his occasional sloppiness. I believe in him, and think he'll produce some great displays, but he needs to do that.

I like Sorloth. I accept he's a championship player...and even comically frightened of/bad at heading a long ball, but he has something about him. When we came up, we had lot of championship players -- Murray, Bolasie, Speroni, Punch, Jedinak, Ward. If any of them had gone to an established PL club at that time, their fans would have slaughtered them. But they had enough at that time to be good PL players.

Sorloth just needs for us to believe in him, and to have a little more conviction himself. They just needed time and support.

I have read this about 6ft 4in striker Andreas Cornelius who Malky Mackay signed for Cardiff in the Premier League.Cornelius only last 6 months at Cardiff - went on to play for Copenhagen and Atalanta and now plays for Bordeaux in the top French division.Corneluis said :
"It was a big deal, I had just turned 20 and came straight from the Danish League to the Premier League, it's a very big step," the 25-year-old added.

"So it can take time and that is just normal"

Rings bells !


Edited by Willo (13 Nov 2018 4.55pm)

 

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