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View inflikted's Profile inflikted Flag 06 Jan 19 3.23am Send a Private Message to inflikted Add inflikted as a friend

It seems pretty clear that Roy has no plans to play him yet, despite the fact he's very highly rated. There's been talk of him going out on loan this month but my question is, where should he go? So far seen him linked with teams like Blackpool and Charlton.

While he'd almost certainly play, I'm not sure if League One is the best place for him to gain experience. Lowest level I'd like to see him at would be the Championship, or maybe seeing if any clubs on the continent e.g. Germany would want to take a chance, as it's done wonders for other players who've gone out there (see: Jadon Sancho, Reiss Nelson). The only concern regarding Germany though, is if they want him permanently. Palace already lost Mandela Egbo that way.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Online Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 06 Jan 19 8.27am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

The big German sides are being very crafty. They can carry a talented kid -- just like our top sides can in certain games. So they go after the cream of the academies where the players have interesting contract situations.

No idea how much longer we have Kirby, but our huge weakness as a club is not really being able to risk competitive minutes for younger players.

It's one reason I'd like to see a European friendly ladder that Palace could participate in. Say about 10 games a season for fringe 1st team, reserve and youth players.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Jan 19 10.02am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Not sure why we consider young players a risk (although I accept that Roy does), as we have a subs bench and I would be all for giving say Kirby a start and if he is struggling replace him with experience. We will never know if he is good enough if we don’t play him.

 

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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 06 Jan 19 10.51am Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

The big German sides are being very crafty. They can carry a talented kid -- just like our top sides can in certain games. So they go after the cream of the academies where the players have interesting contract situations.

No idea how much longer we have Kirby, but our huge weakness as a club is not really being able to risk competitive minutes for younger players.

It's one reason I'd like to see a European friendly ladder that Palace could participate in. Say about 10 games a season for fringe 1st team, reserve and youth players.

why cant we?

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Online Flag caterham 06 Jan 19 11.32am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

If we are going to run an academy that feeds the first team with some home grown talent, that youth needs to be give a chance. I'm not sure of the answer, but feel our transitioning is not as good as it might be. A few WZ's and AWB's helps reputation and economics, but only if the first team coach plays 'em!

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 06 Jan 19 11.33am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Unfortunately for Kirby, central midfield is one position where the first team is pretty well-stocked.

 

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View n wales eagles's Profile n wales eagles Flag llandudno 06 Jan 19 1.12pm Send a Private Message to n wales eagles Add n wales eagles as a friend

Seem to be well stocked in goalkeepers defenders and midfielders Maybe we should just have a striker only academy .

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag Croydon 06 Jan 19 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Hopefully once we’ll secure our Premiership status with a few games to spare we can start to phase him in then. It’s difficult and high risk at the moment. Perhaps get him on the bench for the next round of the cup and get him if we’re comfortably ahead

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 06 Jan 19 3.15pm Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

While battling relegation is surely serious business this still is a choice. I don't believe youngsters should be brought overly careful and generally that seems to be the case in the PL. Think it is mainly due to public opinion/media-fan pressure but if a player is good enough he is good enough. Who does not remember: you'll never win anything with kids. While experience can be very valuable I think it often is also overrated.

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

The big German sides are being very crafty. They can carry a talented kid -- just like our top sides can in certain games. So they go after the cream of the academies where the players have interesting contract situations.

No idea how much longer we have Kirby, but our huge weakness as a club is not really being able to risk competitive minutes for younger players.

It's one reason I'd like to see a European friendly ladder that Palace could participate in. Say about 10 games a season for fringe 1st team, reserve and youth players.


 

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View inflikted's Profile inflikted Flag 06 Jan 19 4.47pm Send a Private Message to inflikted Add inflikted as a friend

If Kirby does end up going to League One, I think I'd rather he go to Charlton than Blackpool. Charlton are chasing promotion and are closer, so it'll be easier to keep tabs on his progress, while Blackpool's facilities are borderline Conference tier because the Oystons refuse to invest any money in the club, and I don't think the shoddy training facilities there will benefit Nya in any way.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 06 Jan 19 6.50pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

The big German sides are being very crafty. They can carry a talented kid -- just like our top sides can in certain games. So they go after the cream of the academies where the players have interesting contract situations.

No idea how much longer we have Kirby, but our huge weakness as a club is not really being able to risk competitive minutes for younger players.

It's one reason I'd like to see a European friendly ladder that Palace could participate in. Say about 10 games a season for fringe 1st team, reserve and youth players.

Interesting post, like it. The only thing I'd disagree with is in bold. We are able, just not brave enough. Frustrating to see Puncheon, Lee, Mutch etc getting bench spots in the past knowing they can't impact a match.

I don't understand why English clubs don't explore partnering with European clubs to loan players. Imagine the benefits for young centre backs to go to Seria B, or Midfielders to go to Holland or Spain? I think young strikers should be playing games over here, no matter the level. Look at Abrahams at Villa. It's absolutely criminal for young lads of 17, 18, 19 not to be getting competitive game time. It's the only way to improve.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Online Flag Croydon 06 Jan 19 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Interesting post, like it. The only thing I'd disagree with is in bold. We are able, just not brave enough. Frustrating to see Puncheon, Lee, Mutch etc getting bench spots in the past knowing they can't impact a match.

I don't understand why English clubs don't explore partnering with European clubs to loan players. Imagine the benefits for young centre backs to go to Seria B, or Midfielders to go to Holland or Spain? I think young strikers should be playing games over here, no matter the level. Look at Abrahams at Villa. It's absolutely criminal for young lads of 17, 18, 19 not to be getting competitive game time. It's the only way to improve.

That is what the Premier money has done. Big clubs are far more guilty hoovering up all the best young talent with money bribes to parents, mainly to stop competitors getting them. Its all about winning now, managers wont risk putting in a youngster, no matter how good they are Chelsea and Man City have many examples. They pay them good wages to play reserve football, its crazy as they become millionaires without playing in the first team.
AWB was an exception, who just happened to adapt very well, if it wasn't for Wards and Kelly being injured he wouldn't on seen the first team.

 

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