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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 10 Jan 19 11.33pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Crystal Palace has a lot of speedy player and our favourite surely must be Zaha. Speed and movement have become a key component in today's game. It's not being able to control the ball that's more important anymore. First thing clubs are looking at is if you can make it count physically. And I don't mean to be big and strong, it's more if you can run fast and move into spaces to get the ball, draw back fast to help recover and close spaces. Players like Kante, Coutinho or Torreira are real midget fighters.

A lot of teams are using black players or players of Jamaican ancestry in their first 11 because of their natural abilities (I don't mean that in a racist way, I just said black people as in the colour of their skin).

Let's make a comparison of the first 11s:

Liverpool: Alexander-Arnold, van Dijk, Wijnaldum, Sadio Mane, could count Firmino too (5), but Salah, Milner or Robertson are pretty fast too

Man City: Kompany, Mendy, Fernandinho (though he's past his prime), Sterling, Leroy Sane (5), but Walker and de Bruyne are pretty much up there too

Tottenham: Dele Alli, Wanyama (2), but Trippier, Ben Davies, Son Min Heon or Harry Kane are fast as well

Chelsea: Rudiger, Kante, Willian (3), but you can make a case about Azpilicueta, Hazard, even Barkley

Man United: Valencia/A. Young, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Lukaku ( 6 )+ Ander Herrera

Arsenal: Aubameyang, Lacazette, maybe Iwobi but he's kind of slow (3)+ Bellerin, Torreira (kind of few, no wonder they haven't been doing good these last seasons with Ozil, Mkhitaryan or Mertesacker until recently; their best players this season are the fast forwards Aubameyang and Lacazette)

Everton: Yerry Mina, Zouma, Idrissa Gueye, Richarlison, Walcott, Calvert Lewin ( 6 )

Leicester: Ricardo Pereira, Ndidi, Mendy, Demarai Gray (4), also Jamie Vardy

West Ham: Masuaku, Obiang, Felipe Anderson, Michail Antonio (4)

Southampton: Ryan Bertrand, Lemina, Redmond (3)

Fulham: Christie, Denis Odoi, Jean Serri, Sessegnon (4)

Wolves: Willy Boly, Adama Traore, Helder Costa/ Ivan Cavaleiro (3)

Bournemouth: Ake, Lerma, Stanislas/Ibe, Joshua King, Callum Wilson (5) though Ryan Fraser is darn fast too

Crystal Palace: AWB, Sakho, PVA, Kouyate, Townsend, Zaha, J. Ayew/Benteke (7)

Burnley: Aaron Lennon (1)

Brighton: Bernardo/Gaetan Bong, Bissouma, Izquierdo/Locadia (3)

Newcastle: Yedlin, Lascelles, Diame, Atsu/Kennedy (4)

Watford: Kabasele, Mariappa, Capuoe, Doucoure, Ken Sema/Success, I can't count Deeney cause he's really slow (so 5), but Roberto Pereyra and Holebas are still pretty fit and fast

Huddersfield: Zanka, Billing, Mounie (3)

Cardiff: Ecuele Manga, Sol Bamba, Josh Murphy, Bobby Reid/Junior Hoilett (4)


You notice that the team who have few of these fast players (Huddersfield, Cardiff, Burnley, Southampton) are pretty much bottom of the Premier League. Meanwhile, teams who have the most fast players are up.

On the other hand, it's not a definite rule. Crystal Palace seems to have the most (at least fro moutside of the top 6), so it should be doing better in the table, right?

It works for Watford which has turned into a very tough to beat team this season and they also recover a lot and have possession, it works for Bournemouth and the fast attacking players there like Callum Wilson, Josh King, Ryan Fraser are up in the scoring and assisting charts.

Edited by mattteo (11 Jan 2019 11.43am)

 

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View FairweatherEagle's Profile FairweatherEagle Flag London 11 Jan 19 12.23am Send a Private Message to FairweatherEagle Add FairweatherEagle as a friend

Benteke is not fast - you clearly haven't watched much of him post Villa. Ayew is mediocre speed wise. Sakho is fairly slow too.


Kompany, Harry Kane and Dele are not particularly fast. If fact loads of players you mention here aren't particularly fast. No mention of Sofiane Boufal for Saints, no mention of Jahanbakhsh for Brighton, or Kamara for Fulham, who is bloody fast. Not well researched, maybe try and catch MoTD if you can?

I do think your first paragraph makes sense though, speed is increasingly important. 1st 11 comparison, pretty shaky though.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 11 Jan 19 12.47am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by FairweatherEagle

Benteke is not fast - you clearly haven't watched much of him post Villa. Ayew is mediocre speed wise. Sakho is fairly slow too.


Kompany, Harry Kane and Dele are not particularly fast. If fact loads of players you mention here aren't particularly fast. No mention of Sofiane Boufal for Saints, no mention of Jahanbakhsh for Brighton, or Kamara for Fulham, who is bloody fast. Not well researched, maybe try and catch MoTD if you can?

I do think your first paragraph makes sense though, speed is increasingly important. 1st 11 comparison, pretty shaky though.


It was mostly a post about ancestry and how many of these players of African-American ancestry have become very sought out. That some of them are not very fast, sure, I even said above in the post. But you can't call them slow either.

Also, Sofiane Boufal is not at Southampton anymore, he's been gone 6 months now. And he wasn't that fast either. Who should catch MoTD now?

Jahanbakhsh has hardly played for Brighton because of injury and Kamarra is not a starter for Fulham, I just posted the players who usually make the first 11.

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 11 Jan 19 1.54am Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

Hmmm,seems to me you're adding in players to line-ups, who wouldn't normally be considered quick, to support your theory.

Yes, of course having speed helps, it always has, but there's a lot of players you listed there that I would never have picked out for their pace.

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 11 Jan 19 11.29am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Kompany and Benteke make your post, but the likes of Walker and Vardy don't?

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 11 Jan 19 11.41am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

Kompany and Benteke make your post, but the likes of Walker and Vardy don't?

Not of African-American ancesyry. Or is Walker? But I see your point.

 

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View steven_t92's Profile steven_t92 Flag Orpington 11 Jan 19 11.43am Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Speed and movement have become a key component in today's game. It's not being able to control the ball that's more important anymore. First thing clubs are looking at is if you can make it count physically. And I don't mean to be big and strong, it's more if you can run fast and move into spaces to get the ball, draw back fast to help recover and close spaces.

Edited by mattteo (10 Jan 2019 11.35pm)

Have to disagree with you here, gone are the days where kids get scouted for their size or speed. Those qualities do help but scouts focus on players ability on the ball more than anything now, so controlling the ball is one of the first things you need to do. I know because I'm involved in it myself.

 

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View Fatherken's Profile Fatherken Flag 11 Jan 19 11.46am Send a Private Message to Fatherken Add Fatherken as a friend

Sorloth says he is " strong and fast " , somehow I don't believe him

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 11 Jan 19 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Not of African-American ancesyry. Or is Walker? But I see your point.

Oh I see, you've authored a list of fast players of African ancestry exclusively. Your contributions to this forum are certainly unique!

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 11 Jan 19 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

Oh I see, you've authored a list of fast players of African ancestry exclusively. Your contributions to this forum are certainly unique!

I am working on a list of slow players from Sweden.

Thomas Brolin.

Thank you.

 


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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 11 Jan 19 3.56pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

Oh I see, you've authored a list of fast players of African ancestry exclusively. Your contributions to this forum are certainly unique!

It's a trend even if you don't want to aknowledge it. Compare this to squads 15-20 years ago.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jan 19 4.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

There’s a trend towards smaller, quicker ball carrying, dribbling players that win penalties or defenders are scared to tackle because of penalties. I’ve noticed it, motd talked about it and Pep Guardiola has searched them out.

 


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