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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 06 Apr 19 6.52pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Don't see the point in the Grand National myself.

Why not just hand your money over to a bookie, shoot a couple of poor horses and be done with it.

Walked past a bookies today , people outside with banners , saying how many horses get shot each year in horse races.
People were pushing past them, not hardened gamblers, but old ladies, young women, people from all walks of life that never bet.
I had 5th place on an e/w bet with William Hill, so got my money back. Thatíll do.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 06 Apr 19 7.47pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Don't see the point in the Grand National myself.

Why not just hand your money over to a bookie, shoot a couple of poor horses and be done with it.

I must admit, I can't get the image out of my mind of that poor horse thrashing around after falling at the first fence, unable to get up. Really upsetting. I assume it had to be destroyed; anyone know?

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Apr 19 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by YT

I must admit, I can't get the image out of my mind of that poor horse thrashing around after falling at the first fence, unable to get up. Really upsetting. I assume it had to be destroyed; anyone know?

Yes it was put down. If the horse breaks bones in its legs and it canít support its body it cannot live on if it canít stand and thereíll be more illnesses itíll suffer.

The horses enjoy the life they have of competing and get lots of stimulation from it. They know theyíre trying to beat each other. You see some signs of this now and again. I know they havenít been given the choice but they do love it, just like motorsport racers are bitten by the bug, live for it and canít give it up. I bet the protesters have no experience of any of it whatsoever.

 


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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 06 Apr 19 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes it was put down. If the horse breaks bones in its legs and it canít support its body it cannot live on if it canít stand and thereíll be more illnesses itíll suffer.

The horses enjoy the life they have of competing and get lots of stimulation from it. They know theyíre trying to beat each other. You see some signs of this now and again. I know they havenít been given the choice but they do love it, just like motorsport racers are bitten by the bug, live for it and canít give it up. I bet the protesters have no experience of any of it whatsoever.

Sorry, what is the point you are trying to make here Rudi? Are you saying that the horses know the risks but are happy to take those risks due to their love of competing?

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Sorry, what is the point you are trying to make here Rudi? Are you saying that the horses know the risks but are happy to take those risks due to their love of competing?

No, but they enjoy it. Itís more stimulating than standing in a windy field. Not all of them die. A small percentage do.

 


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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 07 Apr 19 7.48am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

No, but they enjoy it. Itís more stimulating than standing in a windy field. Not all of them die. A small percentage do.

Rudi none of the protestors are protesting about whether or not the horses do or don't enjoy racing. They protest due to the fact most years horses have to be killed. Horse racing passť is not the problem, it's the size of the jumps that cause so many deaths to such beautiful animals.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (07 Apr 2019 7.48am)

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Rudi none of the protestors are protesting about whether or not the horses do or don't enjoy racing. They protest due to the fact most years horses have to be killed. Horse racing passť is not the problem, it's the size of the jumps that cause so many deaths to such beautiful animals.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (07 Apr 2019 7.48am)

I have always felt it is the size of the field. 40 horses is way too much and should be reduced to 30 if not less. The quality of many of the horses is poor all just so the owners can say they have a runner in the National. Many horses are brought down because of collisions or a lesser horse falling at a fence.

Reducing the size of the field wont guarantee safety but I think it will reduce the number of deaths and injuries because the quality will be better.

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Rudi none of the protestors are protesting about whether or not the horses do or don't enjoy racing. They protest due to the fact most years horses have to be killed. Horse racing passť is not the problem, it's the size of the jumps that cause so many deaths to such beautiful animals.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (07 Apr 2019 7.48am)

They have reduced the size of the jumps considerably over the years. It is supposed to the ultimate steeplechase, keep reducing the jumps, it'll be just another race

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 07 Apr 19 6.12pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

I chose my words carefully in my post so as not to appear 'anti' Grand National; I merely said that something I saw on TV was upsetting.

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Rudi none of the protestors are protesting about whether or not the horses do or don't enjoy racing. They protest due to the fact most years horses have to be killed. Horse racing passť is not the problem, it's the size of the jumps that cause so many deaths to such beautiful animals.

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (07 Apr 2019 7.48am)

Tom have you spent much time around horses? The fact lost on most people that haven't is how unbelievably fragile they are, especially thoroughbreds. They weigh half a ton and travel at about 40 miles an hour. They can suffer a fatal injury stepping on a flint, they can suffer a fatal injury being kicked by a mate in the field. People think horses only die in horrible circumstances on racecourses. The reality is, and people who've spent time with horses know this, they die in unpleasant circumstances in fields, in stables in trailers etc etc etc but there's no camera on them then.

They are so well cared for. It's a 2 way relationship. Domestication means the horse has lost its freedom but in exchange they are guaranteed quality care, feed, warmth, shelter and veterinary care. A horse who is turned out in a field may be in agony all day after a bad injury until their owner comes home from work and finds it. Racehorses are very carefully monitored and are followed around by a vet on the track. If an injury is found that they won't recover from it's immediately relieved from its suffering. It is tragic and a racing yard is a depressing place to be the day after one is lost at the races but it is unavoidable while not being common. The BHA do everything they can to reduce the risks but they can't get rid of all risks.

Reducing the size of the fences has had little impact on the fatality rate as the horses tend to go faster

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 07 Apr 19 7.29pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Tiger Roll must be worth a fortune to breed. Surely if he broke his leg in next years grand national , they wouldnít put him down as heís worth too much money as a stud?

 

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View Harry Beever's Profile Harry Beever Flag Newbury 07 Apr 19 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Harry Beever Add Harry Beever as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

Tiger Roll must be worth a fortune to breed. Surely if he broke his leg in next years grand national , they wouldnít put him down as heís worth too much money as a stud?

Heís been castrated like the majority of jumpers Casual. Thereís a common misconception that horses are put down as owners donít want to fix them. This is very rarely the case but sadly because for SOME (not all!!) injuries there is simply no fix. You cannot manage a paralysed horse weighing half a ton with a spinal injury without its muscles breaking down and it suffering kidney failure or developing fatal pneumonia.

 

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