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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 15 Jul 19 3.56pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

On one of the windows in my house, the frame and sill are still in good nick, but the casements (if that's the right word for the bits that open!) are rotten.

People have said to me to replace the whole thing with a complete frame plus casements, however:

1. I don't think the frame is a standard size, therefore the whole thing would need to be purpose-made anyhow. The gap for the frame is approx. 92cm square.

2. It seems crazy to go through all the expense, mess and agony of ripping out and replacing the whole frame, if just the casements can be replaced.

So my questions, if you will please oblige me, are:

1. Is it feasible to replace just the casements? Incidentally, they are top-hanging and single glazed, as you will see from the photo.

2. Who would I approach to make replacement casements? Would this be within the scope of the average 'chippy', or would it need a more specialist provider?

3. Would I be able to replace the single-glazed casements with double-glazed ones, or is that too complicated?

Many thanks.

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I'm no expert by any means but I have fixed similar myself (although it took me ages and it is not a wonderful job). This should be no big thing for a carpenter or even a decent handyman. It shouldn't cost too much or take any longer than a few hours at most. I did mine with stuff from B & Q.
Now if you want to go double glazed you can but usually these are made of units in a factory and then fitted whole. If you tried to bodge it you probably could but I have a suspicion that it wouldn't be massively easy to get the right seal etc. As if not sealed properly there is little point to double glazing. Plus you have the obvious problem of fitting the glass.
My guess for fixing is only around 100 quid but a new double glazed window may be a few hundred.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Jul 19 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by YT

On one of the windows in my house, the frame and sill are still in good nick, but the casements (if that's the right word for the bits that open!) are rotten.

People have said to me to replace the whole thing with a complete frame plus casements, however:

1. I don't think the frame is a standard size, therefore the whole thing would need to be purpose-made anyhow. The gap for the frame is approx. 92cm square.

2. It seems crazy to go through all the expense, mess and agony of ripping out and replacing the whole frame, if just the casements can be replaced.

So my questions, if you will please oblige me, are:

1. Is it feasible to replace just the casements? Incidentally, they are top-hanging and single glazed, as you will see from the photo.

2. Who would I approach to make replacement casements? Would this be within the scope of the average 'chippy', or would it need a more specialist provider?

3. Would I be able to replace the single-glazed casements with double-glazed ones, or is that too complicated?

Many thanks.

FYI, a casement window is one you can open.

I have a feeling that if you go with a straightforward uPVC replacement it may be a similar price and you get a double-glazed window.

Taking the current windows out and replacing the wooden surrounds is likely to be more complex than just whacking in double glazing. Find a local window company and ask for their advice. Obviously avoid the big players unless you are ready to do some serious negotiation.

 

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Sorry ASCPFC if I'm being a bit dense, but are you talking about having replaced the whole lot, or just the hanging bits (oooh - sounds rude!)?

 


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Originally posted by Mapletree

FYI, a casement window is one you can open.

I have a feeling that if you go with a straightforward uPVC replacement it may be a similar price and you get a double-glazed window.

Taking the current windows out and replacing the wooden surrounds is likely to be more complex than just whacking in double glazing. Find a local window company and ask for their advice. Obviously avoid the big players unless you are ready to do some serious negotiation.

Kind of you to reply, Maple. A detail I failed to mention is that I'm not allowed uPVC windows where I live. Conservation area!

 


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Originally posted by YT

Sorry ASCPFC if I'm being a bit dense, but are you talking about having replaced the whole lot, or just the hanging bits (oooh - sounds rude!)?

I pulled out the rotten parts of the frame. Roughly measured the wood I needed. Got that wood, some filler and some beading, and cut the wood roughly to size then fitted it back into the frames (making adjustments with chisel and plane whilst I fitted). I then pinned and glued the beading in which had a double effect of holding the glass in firmer. Now this took me about a week (with many, many breaks and much swearing). I had to replace glass as well but the wood, tools, beading etc were certainly around 40 quid. Glass is surprisingly expensive and comes in all kind of finishes
I tried to but the cheapest but got toughened just to be safe. I think glass was 150 or so!

 


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Looking at your photo the obvious thing to do is remove the windows first. Lay them down on bench or table and inspect the damage first. Hard to see fully in the picture but it looks like the frames have good bits and bad bits - looks quite repairable to me. I reckon a handyman would enjoy it. My friends live in Putney with sash windows and, similarly, were not allowed PVC. They got wooden windows made but they were certainly charged. I hardly dare say but I reckon bespoke wooden windows made in a workshop and fitted would be around a grand. There are a couple of construction guys on this site who could probably help more.
I'm totally rubbish at most things practical - I'm incredibly lazy too.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Jul 19 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Kind of you to reply, Maple. A detail I failed to mention is that I'm not allowed uPVC windows where I live. Conservation area!

Reading your original post I told you what you knew, yes the part that opens I do believe is the casement.

We had some wooden ones made and they were at least twice the price of uPVC. Then we found that nobody near us gave a damn about the rules and wouldn't have complained about uPVC or aluminium.

The one on the left looks bodgeable with a good rub down, rot proofing and filler. I reckon you could get a few more years from it. The one on the right looks dodgy but I do think a carpenter would be able to do something with it.

Take a look at this, maybe both can be recovered for a while

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Originally posted by YT

Kind of you to reply, Maple. A detail I failed to mention is that I'm not allowed uPVC windows where I live. Conservation area!

Oh get you

 


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From the photo the outer frame looks in good nick. Itís hard to see from the photograph but From.a builders point of view there are two ways you can go, If you didnít want to replace the casement windows and you want a repair then you could buy liquid wood hardener from DIY, builders merchants. Take the casements windows out, if you can rub them down and then paint the wood hardener all over the rotten areas. In this sort of case I would apply two to three coats of harder leaving a day in between. Then get a good quality wood filler, Ronseal wood filler is a good one easy to sand, then Depending, if the outer and casement frames are hard wood I would paint them with an aluminium primer then undercoat and gloss. If the frame is soft wood personally I would paint 2 coat primer 2 undercoat, top gloss, but I would use a weather shield undercoat and gloss.
The next step you could is find a joinery shop and ask them to give you a quote, Iíve done quite a lot of these in the past and the joinery shop will obviously take into account the shape of the window it basically down to you and what you want if you repair itís impossible to say how long it would last that depends on how good the workman is.

 


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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 15 Jul 19 7.39pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Thanks for the advice thus far. Some good ideas for me to consider.

It makes a change to be talking about real windows rather than transfer ones.

Edited by YT (15 Jul 2019 7.39pm)

 


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Originally posted by YT

Thanks for the advice thus far. Some good ideas for me to consider.

It makes a change to be talking about real windows rather than transfer ones.

Edited by YT (15 Jul 2019 7.39pm)

You could always leave it until the last minute and simply paper over any cracks.

 


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