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View HerneBayPalace's Profile HerneBayPalace Flag Herne Bay 22 Jan 20 11.16am Send a Private Message to HerneBayPalace Add HerneBayPalace as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Hodgesaraus your time is up.' by Midlands Eagle

As PatrickA has said, I have an understanding of what you are saying Gribbo.

Southampton just blew us away from start to finish, which I did admire for team of no real stars as you say. The football was good to watch and their press from back to front was exactly how I'd like us to play.

They exploited our ageing team that have played too many games on the bounce due to injuries.

If we'd started with Townsend, Ward, Luka, Schlupp, Sakho & PVA fit, I would suggest it would have been a closer match up on the night with our added pace, composure and goal threat. Hell, even Benteke at least would have brought us some hold up play under pressure.

Had Tosun scored, I think the game would have gone very differently and that seemed to knock his confidence for the remainder.

Don't forget, Saints had the luxury of resting Ings and had the backup of Che Adams too.

Roy doesn't have any current options with injuries and lack of investment.

Roy is who the club need right now and when players return from injury, we will finish the season strong.

Within the next 18 months we most evolve and I'd like to see Roy retire at the end of next season on a high, with a new manager groomed under his stewardship and hopefully new owners to kick us on.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 22 Jan 20 11.38am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Hodgesaraus your time is up.' by Midlands Eagle

You need to see the whole game not the highlights. City missed a bag of chances in the first 15 minutes, and if they had fouled Wilf up the pitch, as Guardiola had coached them to do, then they would not have given up the equaliser in stoppage time. Pep was livid in his post-match comments about this very point.

No shots on target, no corners last night. I would suggest more than just tired.

Don't accept the injuries argument. 2 of the subs we brought on last night are on over £50k per week - Wickham and Meyer were adjudged to be top players when we brought them in.

Wickham and Meyer or 2 duds.We hadn't a single player on the bench that would have made a difference to that performance. The 11 basically picked itself and has done for the past few weeks. And for anyone who thinks Meyer is the answer to our woes. He came on for half an hour and played central where you all have been crying for and he got thrown around like a rag doll. The chap is not good enough for this division.

 

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View buzby1's Profile buzby1 Flag Devon 22 Jan 20 11.47am Send a Private Message to buzby1 Add buzby1 as a friend

We have an ageing and tired team and, though I don't like saying this, an ageing and tired manager. The team needs new blood and RH, who has been terrific in so many ways, now needs to go. Southampton aren't a better team than us but what they brought to the game last night was adventure and the desire to win. We constantly set up in a defensive and uninspiring way. Our greatest moments are about snatching draws and avoiding defeats. Although we've been badly hit by injuries I can't help but feel that we make too excuses for ourself. At the moment we are playing negative and poor football and that's not what being Crystal Palace is about.

I've no idea who should replace Roy but I know that if the team isn't renewed soon and the manager isn't changed then next season we will be fighting for our Premier League lives. Time to say a huge thank you to Roy and move on.

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 22 Jan 20 12.13pm Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

I know its all about the bottom line and staying aboard the gravy train and having his hands tied by the Americans but.. Stevie P must be watching these turgid, anti-football displays and be shuddering like the rest of us. No shots on target and no corners at home against Southampton.. Jesus wept!

I'm pretty sure he had a word with Dougie when he was manager to improve the style of play and he also went in the direction of RdB for his 'style' so you would assume hes hating this like everyone else.. even from his very differing perpective.

Good God it was bloody awful yesterday. We are the Brighton of last season. Its a real tough watch.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 22 Jan 20 12.32pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I donít buy in to this depiction of Hodgson as some sort of miracle worker.
The squad is packed with international players and we reputedly are in the top 10 in the league in terms of wage bills.
Itís not like heís working with the squad that Pulis inherited from Holloway.
I also feel this season we have had the Hodgson of Liverpool and England as opposed to the Hodgson of Fulham and WBA ( and his first season at Palace).
Heís now prickly, defensive ,extremely negative in approach and tactically inflexible.
Can anyone honestly say our approach this season has warranted more goals ?
We are the lowest scorers in the division for a reason - we play with 10 behind the ball home and away and Hodgson has managed to turn Zaha and Townsend into full backs.

 

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View Ghostship's Profile Ghostship Flag Norfolk 22 Jan 20 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Ghostship Add Ghostship as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Wickham and Meyer or 2 duds.We hadn't a single player on the bench that would have made a difference to that performance. The 11 basically picked itself and has done for the past few weeks. And for anyone who thinks Meyer is the answer to our woes. He came on for half an hour and played central where you all have been crying for and he got thrown around like a rag doll. The chap is not good enough for this division.

Give Meyer some credit he played through a couple of lovely through balls to Wickham and Zaha which split the Soton defence open which hadn't happened before he came on

 

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View Ghostship's Profile Ghostship Flag Norfolk 22 Jan 20 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Ghostship Add Ghostship as a friend

So many questions I would love to ask Roy if I got the chance, main ones being

Why do you not like playing any creative midfielders, why is our passing so bad, our throw ins so bad, why our players are afraid to shoot from outside the box, why is the build up play so slow and laboured.

As it is I get the impression Roy might quit come the end of the season, he still hasn't signed the contract extension offered to him and I think our lack of funds and signings have left him very downbeat which is fair enough.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 20 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Ghostship

So many questions I would love to ask Roy if I got the chance, main ones being

Why do you not like playing any creative midfielders, why is our passing so bad, our throw ins so bad, why our players are afraid to shoot from outside the box, why is the build up play so slow and laboured.

As it is I get the impression Roy might quit come the end of the season, he still hasn't signed the contract extension offered to him and I think our lack of funds and signings have left him very downbeat which is fair enough.

In terms of 'Throw-in' I recall early in the game, Kelly taking a thrw-in and it landed on the head of an opposition player who was unchallenged.I was one unimpressed hombre.

Apropos not shooting from distance, the QPR manager Mark Warburton forbids his players from shooting from over 22 yards from goal.

Finally, Roy Hodgson has secured 2 survivals with very limited funds and should he do so again this season,it will be 'Mission accomplished' as far as the owners are concerened whilst all of us have had to endure some dross this season,last night being the lowest of the low.Disgraceful.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2020 2.22pm)

 

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View Ian-VI's Profile Ian-VI Flag Vicenza 22 Jan 20 2.19pm Send a Private Message to Ian-VI Add Ian-VI as a friend

Originally posted by Ghostship

So many questions I would love to ask Roy if I got the chance, main ones being

Why do you not like playing any creative midfielders, why is our passing so bad, our throw ins so bad, why our players are afraid to shoot from outside the box, why is the build up play so slow and laboured.

As it is I get the impression Roy might quit come the end of the season, he still hasn't signed the contract extension offered to him and I think our lack of funds and signings have left him very downbeat which is fair enough.

When we had Loftus-Cheek Roy used him as an attacking midfielder, and we were playing him with Cabaye, Andros, Wilf and a striker, and we produced some of the best attacking football we played recently (ex. 3-0 vs Leicester).
If he has an attacking midfielder, he'd play him, but he hasn't got it.
Unless you're trying to tell me that Meyer is at Loftus-Cheek level, because it's like comparing a Fiat Panda with a Porsche...

 


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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Jan 20 2.28pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I donít buy in to this depiction of Hodgson as some sort of miracle worker.
The squad is packed with international players and we reputedly are in the top 10 in the league in terms of wage bills.
Itís not like heís working with the squad that Pulis inherited from Holloway.
I also feel this season we have had the Hodgson of Liverpool and England as opposed to the Hodgson of Fulham and WBA ( and his first season at Palace).
Heís now prickly, defensive ,extremely negative in approach and tactically inflexible.
Can anyone honestly say our approach this season has warranted more goals ?
We are the lowest scorers in the division for a reason - we play with 10 behind the ball home and away and Hodgson has managed to turn Zaha and Townsend into full backs.

Top post. He turned the crop of England's best players into clueless numpties with his negative tactics by the end of his tenure.
I hope he leaves at the end of the season and gets a good thank you farewell for what he achieved in the first season.

 

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View rollercoaster's Profile rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 22 Jan 20 2.51pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Some perspective needed, please.

Everyone agrees yesterday was very poor (including the manager and the players) but there has never been a time at Palace where we have had a season with not one poor performance. Every single loss is greated with 'Hodgson must go', 'Parish is rubbish', 'the players are rubbish'.... This from supposedly the best supporters in the country, get a grip.

Let's expect a good performance against Shef Utd after a break, one bad performance doesn't ruin a season.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 22 Jan 20 3.04pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Surely the central point is that itís not one poor performance.
We have amassed a reasonable points total (albeit still only 7 points above the relegation line) but we are the lowest scorers in the division and rarely create more than a couple of opportunities a game.
Some will point to lack of resources and injuries , but I genuinely believe itís largely attributable to Hodgsonís rigid approach.
Football is about attacking as well as defending and Hodgsonís focus seems to be dedicated exclusively to the latter.
Nobody will convince me that our attacking play this season has warranted us scoring more goals than the paltry amount that we have registered.

 

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